Commodore 128T for sale (sort of)

[persia]

Well, it's bigger and heavier than two Mac Pros.  But I wouldn't give up the ability to edit video, audio and images, as well as the ability to render 3D images, for the ability to play chuncky graphic games...  Especially when a Mini can do a faster emulation of a C64 than this thing.

Funny thing is, that 128 will be more useful and entertaining to someone in the future
than any Mac or PeeCee made today  ;-)

[tone007]

What?  A new Macintosh is more powerful than a C128?  Tell me more!

[redrumloa]

Less than 24 hours after listing there are 358 page views and 25 watchers. Nice...

[save2600]

Well, it's bigger and heavier than two Mac Pros.  But I wouldn't give up the ability to edit video, audio and images, as well as the ability to render 3D images, for the ability to play chuncky graphic games...  

Nobody's asking you to :-)  I'm just saying: 10, 20, 30+ years from now, there will be
more people interested in purchasing a vintage Commodore product of yore than a
mainstream computer of today. And they will be willing to pay as much or more for said
vintage computers than what they could purchase a modern computer for in their time.
Put contextually, surely you can understand this. While the numbers may be off kilter,
we're witnessing this very phenomenon right now with Amiga stuff along with the multitude
of other vintage platforms.

But that was my original point.

[persia]

Actually have you priced an old Apple lately?  The things seem to have acquired value again after being worthless.  There seem to be a pattern high value -> Decreasing Value -> Recyclable -> Increasing Value -> Collectable, with all computers but PCs...

Personally I'm not interested in collecting, a good emulator is worth it's weight in gold...

Nobody's asking you to :-)  I'm just saying: 10, 20, 30+ years from now, there will be
more people interested in purchasing a vintage Commodore product of yore than a
mainstream computer of today. And they will be willing to pay as much or more for said
vintage computers than what they could purchase a modern computer for in their time.
Put contextually, surely you can understand this. While the numbers may be off kilter,
we're witnessing this very phenomenon right now with Amiga stuff along with the multitude
of other vintage platforms.

But that was my original point.

[redrumloa]

@persia

Some people think classic muscle cars, or even a Model T are pointless considering the cost to restore one can be as high or more expensive than a modern econo-box such as a Suzuki Swift. It could also be said why drive a real car, just play Test Drive 22 ;-) We are all here because we enjoy a hobby, for some of us that hobby includes actual retro hardware.

[LoadWB]

@persia

Some people think classic muscle cars, or even a Model T are pointless considering the cost to restore one can be as high or more expensive than a modern econo-box such as a Suzuki Swift. It could also be said why drive a real car, just play Test Drive 22 ;-) We are all here because we enjoy a hobby, for some of us that hobby includes actual retro hardware.

Hear hear.  Emulation cannot provide that special experience that real hardware provides.  Much the way home theater does not match the real thing (for better or worse, again depending upon your opinion of the matter.)

In addition, there is a vast difference between the future value of dime-a-dozen versus uncommon uniqueness.  Sure, the Commodore 64 may have been a dime-a-dozen way back when, but its numbers rank endangered compared to "modern" systems.

[persia]

Software on chips is software on chips.  The difference between an emulated machine and on running on old hardware is that the machine running in emulation is more compatible than the one running on old hardware, UAE can produce any Amiga ever made at the click of a mouse, it will display on any screen.  It's the dream Amiga.

Nobody's asking you to :-)  I'm just saying: 10, 20, 30+ years from now, there will be
more people interested in purchasing a vintage Commodore product of yore than a
mainstream computer of today. And they will be willing to pay as much or more for said
vintage computers than what they could purchase a modern computer for in their time.
Put contextually, surely you can understand this. While the numbers may be off kilter,
we're witnessing this very phenomenon right now with Amiga stuff along with the multitude
of other vintage platforms.

But that was my original point.

Hear hear.  Emulation cannot provide that special experience that real hardware provides.  Much the way home theater does not match the real thing (for better or worse, again depending upon your opinion of the matter.)

In addition, there is a vast difference between the future value of dime-a-dozen versus uncommon uniqueness.  Sure, the Commodore 64 may have been a dime-a-dozen way back when, but its numbers rank endangered compared to "modern" systems.

[save2600]

@Persia,

 Nice pic of you creatively emulating a blue tooth device, but couldn't
you have found something like a doo rag instead of your bra!   lol

[LoadWB]

Software on chips is software on chips.  The difference between an emulated machine and on running on old hardware is that the machine running in emulation is more compatible than the one running on old hardware, UAE can produce any Amiga ever made at the click of a mouse, it will display on any screen.  It's the dream Amiga.

Bogus analogy to begin and the rest is, again, subjective.  Emulation is software on chips in software.  For some of us, the fun is in building the dream Amiga: collecting the individual components which may or may not work, the thrill of firing it up with child-like anticipation and then taking it for a "drive."

Or, screw it, you can kill all of the magic and just throw a switch.

There are people who just want things to work, and there are people who want to make things work.  To each his own.

[persia]

I think we can agree that it's a personal preference, if you love to tinker with old hardware, things that are way past their use by date and get them to run then emulation is not for you, if you just want to run Amiga software then emulation is fine.  I guess it depends wether you are a hardware or software person.  

In some ways it is exciting t see something pushing the old hardware to it's max that would in emulation maybe warm a single core a little.  To stay with the cars, it's a bit like driving a Lamborghini Murciélago or Reventón at 100 Km/hr versus driving a Model T at 100 Km/hr...

Bogus analogy to begin and the rest is, again, subjective.  Emulation is software on chips in software.  For some of us, the fun is in building the dream Amiga: collecting the individual components which may or may not work, the thrill of firing it up with child-like anticipation and then taking it for a "drive."

Or, screw it, you can kill all of the magic and just throw a switch.

There are people who just want things to work, and there are people who want to make things work.  To each his own.

[the-topdog]

This brings back fond memories.  Last year I converted an old Commodore SX-64 with a fried motherboard and power supply into an "SX-128" using one of my spare C128 units.  It gets some cool responses and double-takes at the local 8-bit conventions when they realize it is a Commodore 128 boot screen.

But I tell you it is a labor of love to do a conversion like these, more time is put into it than you could possibly get out of them if you were ever to try to sell them.  I must have at least 200-300 hours into my conversion... I can only guess as to how much time you put into this one.

- Topdog

[persia]

How about a SamX-64?  Imagine their surprise to see Amiga OS 4.1...