Amiga Inc. back in court

[cecilia]

Poster: bloodline
     Now that Amiga Inc. are (apparently) now out of the picture regarding the Amiga Brand name OS, shouldn't we all be rooting for Genesi?

I'd rather root for AROS. (And WinUAE, for that matter!): the people's OS.
 :-P

[Tigger]

 think the judge will look upon Bill Bucks evidence supplied under perjory that he would have known was not reliable and yet he supplied it as fact, and which in fact turned out to be faked, and then Bill Buck did not inform the court of this. Perjury is a lot more important than a single day difference in a date (hell, could be timezones, could have been signed after an all-nighter, who knows).

First of all the person that is going to get convicted of perjury is Bill McEwen.  In two seperate depositions (April 30th & August 7th) he said that Amiga Inc owned AmigaOS (all versions from 1.0 - 3.9) as part of a search for Amiga Inc assets.  Having it now become known that Amiga Inc sold the OS on April 23 or 24th, this is going to be a pretty big issue.  In both depositions, Bill McEwen lied about the ownership of AmigaOS, all that will happen with Bill Bucks usage of what is now believed to be a fake email from Fleecy, is that data will not be used, that doesnt hurt there case at all, McEwen lying about the ownership of assets is a huge issue.  
    -Tig

[Tomas]

Shouldn't the people involved have known about this since last April when this happened?

How do you know they didnt?? I believe the parts involved has known about this for a while now..

[KennyR]

Thomas wrote:
How do you know they didnt?? I believe the parts involved has known about this for a while now..

And yet they didn't tell anyone outside their circle, preferring to put a false face on it and denounce anyone who speculated too close to the truth as liars and idiots. Compare this to Genesi, who are open about their faults and have never kept problems they have secret. And yet they're the one being demonised in this whole affair.

Ironic.

[IonDeluxe]

Did B.McEwen purgor himself? Maybe. As we are unaware of anything excpt the date the deal was finalized and the fact the company that OS4 was sold to was then bought out, it is impossible to know. Statement of fact that he DID purgur himself are unfactual and flaimbait, for instance the deal may have been struck 1 year ago, but the transfer of ownership itself only happened now. Thats just one possibility and there could be many many others.
As for Genesi being demonized, well its not Genesi per se it is BBRV. IF BBRV had conducted himself in a professional manner and with integrity these past few years, and had not initiated what many believe to be a flippant lawsuit, or spoken of working with everyone in the community whilst trying to tear it apart then maybe there would be no demonizeation.
Genesi has made it's bed in this instance and now must lie in it, thanks to BBRV. Maybe they will pull it off, maybe not, but I for one wont be holding my breathe

[Hattig]

In two seperate depositions (April 30th & August 7th) he said that Amiga Inc owned AmigaOS (all versions from 1.0 - 3.9) as part of a search for Amiga Inc assets. Having it now become known that Amiga Inc sold the OS on April 23 or 24th, this is going to be a pretty big issue.

The initialisation of the sale might have started 11 months ago, and that is the date of sale, but as no information has been released until now, that suggests that the sale was not finalised and completed until now (around last week I'd guess, to get time to write that stuff up with a new lawyer, etc, and the press release notices).

So Bill McEwan was not lying. No one asked him "Are you in the process of selling AmigaOS rights?" did they?

[WarPiper]

This whole Amiga Inc. drama crap is playing out to be worse than the O.J. trials.  with all the trouble that this poor system and its community has put up with over the past, what, 12 years?, I think has been way too much and I have to wonder what keeps people clinging to this drawn out soap opera of a computer platform that is much like a bad foster child.  THERE IS NO SENCE OF STABILITY GOING WITH A PLATFORM THAT KEEPS GETTING PAST FROM FOSTER HOME TO FOSTER HOME WITH NO LOVING PARENTS TO WANT TO KEEP IT! makes me pity the damed thing.

[gary_c]

the deal may have been struck 1 year ago, but the transfer of ownership itself only happened now.

Sorry, but Garry Hare says in his statement to the court that Itec LLC "acquired" AmigaOS in April 2003. That doesn't mean striking a deal and starting to transfer ownership; it means "gaining possession of" as far as I know, and I imagine the judge would assume the conventional definition of the word. If he meant that an agreement had been reached that would be finalized in 11 months, as an astute businessman and a person not wanting to mislead the judge, I imagine he would have said so.

-- gary_c

[Hattig]

I expect we will find out how the law works.

Bill McEwan's testimony was made some time ago. Garry Hare's was made recently, clearly after the sale. So what I said is still valid. Depends on American corporate law really.

I expect that this will be one thing that bbrv will try to gain clarification on though in the court case. It is about the only thing he can!

[whabang]

Bah! Amiga Inc. is no more! They have sold the OS, so they can do whatever they want for all that I care!  :ranting:

[cecilia]

This whole Amiga Inc. drama crap is playing out to be worse than the O.J. trials.

that's for sure! :lol:

I have to wonder what keeps people clinging to this drawn out soap opera of a computer platform that is much like a bad foster child. THERE IS NO SENCE OF STABILITY GOING WITH A PLATFORM THAT KEEPS GETTING PAST FROM FOSTER HOME TO FOSTER HOME WITH NO LOVING PARENTS TO WANT TO KEEP IT!

this is why I have encouraged people to ignore all the "heads" of companies. whomever they may be. and that we can only depend on each other.
Anyone who still (!) likes amiga - the machine that may be sitting on your desk right now - loves it because of what it is. And that has nothing to do with all the stupid owners.
and when you become an adult, you no longer depend on your parents. So we can't be orphaned.
My mother used to tell my brother and I when we were children that if something happened to her we would only have each other.
So, my Amiga brother, lets hold on to each other and nevermind the bad parents.

[Quixote]

Cecilia chimed in:

So, my Amiga brother, lets hold on to each other and nevermind the bad parents.

;-) Well put, Cecilia.

Since it appears that this transaction occurred last year, the instability that some perceive now is a little unfounded, although I do agree that it is surprising, and a little unsettling.

[DanDude]

Bull Buck wants EVERYTHING in this world.  Why not ask him to go buy MICROSOFT and be happy with THAT company!

[vortexau]

BBRV wanted to be King of two Hills.
 or
push the two hills togather & bulldoze away the RED Soil!

Seems like he's only going to remain King of one Hill, with some DE Topdressing!

Now, he needs to install WinCE so the DE Topdressing can be added. . . . . . . .  :lol:
Now, for the paperback!