Amiga September Executive Update

[Seehund]

Desler wrote:

blah blah dream blah amazing blah moving forwards blah we embark on this mission together, nothing will tear us apart.

A bit overkill. Its word like this that makes me fell... well. fundamentalistic

It makes me feel... queasy. :-þ It's actually quite disgusting. But, as others already have said, it's still smart and necessary marketing, the company realises that just using the "Amiga" trademark for the company name and for its own product isn't enough, the company needs to grasp every marketing opportunity, even with sleazy methods like this, to create some kind of "kinship" with those who have made and kept the trademark valuable, i.e. the old Amiga user and developer communities, else the brand will lose whatever commercial value it has left.

[System]

It is getting harder to wait now, as I hear more of OS 4 getting done.

Yes, finally we can start looking for easter eggs in OS4 :-)

[Agafaster]

We prefer "canny"  :-D

Scottish-English Dictionary:

'Canny'(n)-Tight.

:lol:

[seer]

Good news, but also with a little problem;

If they are going to sell Amithlon /A-OS 3.9 laptops with Celerons and P4's, aren't those laptops (and perhaps desktops) going to undermine AmigaONE/OS4 sales ? (As they are going to be faster)

This could be the moment of truth (sp) for an X86 based OS4...

And no, this is not a flame towards Amiga, I think it's a good thing..

BTW, everybody read the news on ANN about the Pegasos being on sale in Oct ?

[Alkemyst]

"If they are going to sell Amithlon /A-OS 3.9 laptops with Celerons and P4's, aren't those laptops (and perhaps desktops) going to undermine AmigaONE/OS4 sales ? (As they are going to be faster)"
 
no as if that was the case then amithlon on pc's now would have that effect.
 
& a laptop is a laptop & most ppl want a full system & a laptop is second.

[seer]

no as if that was the case then amithlon on pc's now would have that effect.

There's a difference by selling complete systems with Amithlon pre installed (Amithlon V1 isn't an easy do it yourself installation) and just selling Amithlon in Amiga shops.. Besides, Amithlon isn't on sale legally now  :-( . Not to mention the "few" PC's Amithlon is able to run on correctly.. (Doesn't seem to like the Parhelia I have at home, or most of the (newer!) OEM PC's we use at work..

& a laptop is a laptop & most ppl want a full system & a laptop is second.

Lots of people want an Amiga laptop, and wanted one for a very long time...

Come to think of it if there was a laptop with Windows on it and it would outperform (CPU/GFX and maybe even soundwise) any Desktop PC with Windows on it I guess a whole lot of people would buy that laptop, and ditch the bulky desktop..

[Alkemyst]

no the desktop will alway be a bigger seller there are few ppl with just laptops

[Kay]

I don't think those laptops would undermine the sales of the AmigaOne. People want laptops and desktops for different purposes, and since there is no real Amiga laptop coming in the foreseeable future, selling these PC's with an emulator pre-installed makes sense as a laptop complement to the Amiga platform.

Kay

[redfox]

I agree with Kay.

I see a desktop Amiga (AmigaOne or Classic Amiga) serving a different role than a laptop Amiga (or laptop pc running Amithlon).  IMHO, the desktop/tower system would usually be a more permanent setup with various peripheral devices (printer, scanner, speakers, etc.) attached to it.  The laptop gives you the freedom to move around and setup quickly.  Generally you would not have the other stuff with you.

For example:

At work, I use both a desktop computer and a laptop.

(I work for a large telephone company, configuring, maintaining and troubleshooting several large data networks.)

My desktop computer is set up permanently at my desk in the office, along with my phone, books, manuals, etc.  This machine is permanently hooked up to the company LAN and has access to all the software and systems that I use on a daily basis.

However, on some occasions I need to go to a different floor or another buiding to work directly on the network equipment.    On these occasions I use the laptop, because it is easy to carry around and it contains the software I need to communicate directly with the various network devices.

The desktop gives me the freedom to use many applications, but the laptop gives me the freedom to easily move around.

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redfox

[seer]

I see a desktop Amiga (AmigaOne or Classic Amiga) serving a different role than a laptop Amiga (or laptop pc running Amithlon). IMHO, the desktop/tower system would usually be a more permanent setup with various peripheral devices (printer, scanner, speakers, etc.) attached to it. The laptop gives you the freedom to move around and setup quickly. Generally you would not have the other stuff with you.

Normally I'd agree with the both of you, but if you use a laptop with a docking station you can have a permanent setup with various peripheral devices (Even a big 21" flatscreen if you want) and use the same desktop on the way..

Why I brought this up is the idea that these laptops are going to outperform the AmigaONE/Pegasos... With all the bitching about speed isses lately, well you know..

In my mind, a desktop Computer should outperform a laptop, if there from the same timeframe.. (I'm a sick minded guy, ok ?  :-P )

[redfox]

@ seer

Good point.  I didn't consider using the laptop with a docking station.

And I agree that a desktop computer should outperform a laptop.

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redfox

[Kay]

> Why I brought this up is the idea that these laptops are going to outperform the
> AmigaONE/Pegasos... With all the bitching about speed isses lately, well you know..

Yeah, I know. But I still don't think these new laptops will undermine the sales of
the AmigaOne. PC's with Amiga emulators already exist, and already compete with the new
real Amigas. I don't think these laptops add any significant competition besides what's
already there.

I agree that it's kind of backwards that the laptops will be faster than the desktops. But
keep in mind that this only is true for 68k software. I'm guessing most new stuff will be PPC,
and thus will not run on these laptops at all. In that respect, the AmigaOne offers something
the laptops don't.

Kay

[Hammer]

Come to think of it if there was a laptop with Windows on it and it would outperform (CPU/GFX and maybe even soundwise) any Desktop PC with Windows on it I guess a whole lot of people would buy that laptop, and ditch the bulky desktop..

Did you factor in people’s budget for such purchase?

[Hammer]

If they are going to sell Amithlon /A-OS 3.9 laptops with Celerons and P4's, aren't those laptops (and perhaps desktops) going to undermine AmigaONE/OS4 sales ? (As they are going to be faster)

Not in the short term, since Berniethlon doesn’t accelerate AmigaOS’s APIs in native speed(4).  

I’m assuming that native API accelerated systems maybe faster than the current JIT only solutions(3).

IF we factored in the extreme competition between x86 CPU manufactures and their constant release (2) of “faster” CPUs (relative to PPC(1)), this native API acceleration advantage maybe narrowed in the long term i.e. extremely high clocked(2) x86 CPUs  running of AmigaOS via 68k-JIT emulation.

1. In the context of PPC CPUs + motherboard falls within the Desktop/Consumer price segment. It’s a futile exercise if one referrs to current IBM’s Power Series CPUs or nonexistent “Cell” CPU.

2. It is speculated that AMD may have Athlon 3000+ by the end of this year (just in time for XMAS), since they have 2100Mhz at this time  (can be over clocked to ~2400Mhz with Tbred-B).

3. Refers to the current x86 CPU releases i.e. AMD Athlon 2600+(~2100Mhz), Intel Pentium 4 2800A Mhz.

4. In the context of the current part release and upgrade pace of PPC i.e. at this time the fastest G4 is ~1250Mhz (as I recall).

It would be an interesting match up between native/AOS4.0/PPC600Mhz/mobo VS Berniethlon/AOS3.9/K7Tbred2200+/mobo VS Berniethlon/AOS3.9/PIV2500Mhz/mobo in terms price and speed.