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Re: Microsoft to take you into the cloud
« Reply #14 from previous page: October 28, 2008, 11:03:39 PM »
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no one will stop this trend, because no one ever does in these situations. what "they" want is what they will get and YOU will get used to it - over time - and eventually see absolutely nothing wrong with it.


...that's gotta be one of the best collection of words I've ever read on AO. Very insightful.
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Re: Microsoft to take you into the cloud
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2008, 03:44:58 PM »
maybe this is another reason to stick with "outdated" machines and architectures.

i'd like to see some civil servant have the nouse to hack into an amiga from the outside! :lol:

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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2008, 05:54:48 PM »
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maybe this is another reason to stick with "outdated" machines and architectures.

i'd like to see some civil servant have the nouse to hack into an amiga from the outside! :lol:


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Re: Microsoft to take you into the cloud
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2008, 08:07:06 PM »
@Roj

That's pretty much how things work. That's exactly how everyone will eventually end up with a microchip or barcode.
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Re: Microsoft to take you into the cloud
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2008, 08:37:13 PM »
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arkanoid wrote:
oh ho, speak of the devil. I have just recieved an email from PayPal who have been monitoring (snooping) on my PayPal account transactions:

"We are sending you this notice because you have received more than 650.00 GBP in total payments to your PayPal account.

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Apparently the average Joe (commoners, to our ruling Elite) is no longer allowed to sell their own property on eBay to make a little extra cash, without the government and tech-industry demanding we fill out a form explaining ourselves and justifying such "huge" sums (725.32 GBP in total) which they would rather we didn't have.

I think you have misunderstood the situation.

Firstly, there is no requirement to fill in any form or justify anything in this situation. They are simply informing you that they are checking the details of the transaction. What this actually involves is them making sure that the funds have gone to a verified account, and checking for any odd trends like regular payments of a similar amount going to lots of different accounts. This is done automatically with no human intervention unless something suspicious is flagged up. When this happened to me, I received an email with 24 hours stating that the checks were completed, with no requirement for me to do (or justify) anything.

Secondly, what on earth makes you think they "the government and tech-industry" would rather you didn't have the money you made from selling your property? Do you really think that's how the government and business owners want things to be, with the "average Joe" having no money? Where would the revenue which pays the wages of these organisations come from in this case? Do you know how capitalism works?

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Re: Microsoft to take you into the cloud
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2008, 08:54:38 PM »
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Do you know how capitalism works?


The communists in China sure do. It's what's keeping communism alive.
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Re: Microsoft to take you into the cloud
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2008, 10:26:39 PM »
Motorolin: I don't think you have a clear picture of this particular situation. This requirement that PayPal snoops on the accounts of UK PayPal users is European Parliament Anti-Money Laundering _legislation_ introduced in recent years under the guise of “anti-terrorism”.  Because of the UK’s ties with Brussels, this is also now UK law by proxy. This has nothing to do with PayPal “account verification” (my account was verified years ago). PayPal have asked me to answer around 15 questions, related to how I use my account. Whether the funds are business related, where the money is transferred to after it hits my account, etc.
This is corporate-aided Government intrusion into my personal finances.


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Secondly, what on earth makes you think they "the government and tech-industry" would rather you didn't have the money you made from selling your property? Do you really think that's how the government and business owners want things to be, with the "average Joe" having no money? Where would the revenue which pays the wages of these organisations come from in this case? Do you know how capitalism works?

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Oh, I'm pretty sure I know how "capitalism works". The only thing is, I know how it actually works... not how i'm TOLD it works.

yes, I really know that  Governments would prefer it if their populations did NOT own a great deal. This may be a shock to your rose-tinted notion of government but they would indeed prefer you to not have a bank full of money or own homes which you could potentially pass on to your children.

That’s not just MY opinion, btw. This technique of keeping the majority of a nation’s populace “on the bread-line” (or as close to it as you can get away with) is well documented and is in fact a key principle in the art which our governments are masters in: social engineering. You cannot control and keep a population working 9-5 in jobs which they basically hate,  if you allow too many of them to become complacent. Wealth, ownership of land and homes is key in breeding complacency and a sense of independant security in a population. Think about it. So yes, governments would prefer you to own very little (ideally nothing) - particularly the neo-Fascist type governments most of us have or will have very soon.

The world around you is changing rapidly Motoroli and incase you haven’t noticed, the new buzzword is “control” (climate control, population control, etc)...not freedom, democracy or even “capitalism”. I wish I had the energy and will to unravel things for you and explain the effects of recent historical events and current trends (particularly in technological "people control"), but I don’t . Just because you are told that you live in a capitalist democracy, doesn’t necessarily mean that you do.

Like Weirdami said: “The communists in China sure do. It's what's keeping communism alive.”

Controlling vast populations is largely a game of smoke and mirrors, i guess. and unfortunately this world is full of naive simple people like yourself who will never see how they are being manipulated. Pitty.
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Re: Microsoft to take you into the cloud
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2008, 10:49:01 PM »
Many of us know and have known about these things. Question is, how to combat it?? I mean, REALLY combat it? Too many people trained and willing to be 'cattle' in these times. Too many people willing to sell out. Sell their families, friends and neighbours. What's worse - is that *THEY* do not see anything wrong with being such {bleep}s! They actually feel that the lives they live *IS* for the greater good for their families/business's. I do what I can by boycotting Wal-Marts, cell phones, blindly following trends, totally boycott most of what's on TV, reality shows, lawyer/doctor shows, purchasing anything from large corporations in general and caring about the mainstream and what is popular (and the list CAN go on) - but I KNOW I'm definitely in the minority here.

Until there are better solutions, knowledge without power is a total waste and makes us look like fanaticals, conspiracy loons or rebels.


 

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Re: Microsoft to take you into the cloud
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2008, 11:09:37 PM »
Interesting talk, but I disagree with most of you here. First of all I don't thing this will ever get that huge acceptance, because plenty stuff people today have on their machines is actually illegal mp3/movies/programs you name it, so they don't want to get caught. Secondly I don't think people would want to depend on a remote station completely, like someone has already said what if the server is down or they lose your data or there are data leaks ...
That said I think plenty people will use it, mostly for the convenience but the other option will be there, they'll probably use both and it's not like governments will force you to NOT have a powerfull computer at home:)
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Re: Microsoft to take you into the cloud
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2008, 07:47:38 AM »
@arkanoid
Ok, I did not have a full picture of what you were asked to do by PayPal and I made an assumption that it was the same as what I was required to do. That was wrong. Given that you were asked quite specific questions about the transaction, I can understand that you are concerned. However, I am struggling to think what motive you think Brussels has other than to protect people from fraud. Did they tell you you couldn't have your money, or did they carry out the checks then leave it in your account?

Regarding the capitalism stuff, your condescending lesson is not required. I am fully aware of how this model can be used to exert control over the masses. However, it's not the 1900s any more. Services aren't providing merely the necessities. You will of course be aware that whole industries focus on providing luxury goods and services that people don't actually need. If the bourgeoisie were really still trying to suppress the proles by withholding all of the capital, then I hardly think there would be a place in the market for such goods and services. Luxury foods, designer clothes, prestige cars and expensive furniture for a start would all be gone.

You should know that I am not as naïve as you think I am. My eyes are wide open to the way the world is changing and the potential dangers. But the way the market is organised suggests to me that we are *not* (yet) living in some Victorian era of ruling and working classes. And I don't think PayPal checking that you and others are not being defrauded is evidence that we are moving towards that. If anything, they seem to be *proteecting* your property (i.e. your money). When they start withholding funds, then I will worry.

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Re: Microsoft to take you into the cloud
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2008, 11:36:00 AM »
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Jose wrote:
Interesting talk, but I disagree with most of you here. First of all I don't thing this will ever get that huge acceptance, because plenty stuff people today have on their machines is actually illegal mp3/movies/programs you name it, so they don't want to get caught. Secondly I don't think people would want to depend on a remote station completely, like someone has already said what if the server is down or they lose your data or there are data leaks ...
That said I think plenty people will use it, mostly for the convenience but the other option will be there, they'll probably use both and it's not like governments will force you to NOT have a powerfull computer at home:)


I agree.  Piracy is what drives many people to buy computers in the first place:  free music, free movies, free apps, free games.  Email is less important to the gen y's as they text message on their mobiles.  They are not mad hobbyists like we are, they might as well be buying a fridge. They  have little regard for copyright on digital files or software:  most treat it as a disposable commodity. I read that only 25% of installed software is legitimate.  Are they gonna store their pirated files on an MS server?


People will use it just like they use gmail or yahoo mail as opposed to their isp email address: for doing stuff they don't really care much about.
 

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Re: Microsoft to take you into the cloud
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2008, 12:29:52 PM »
Question:

What's Microsoft going to do, when they realise that their wonderful could computing has been taken over by terabytes of pr0n, torrents, mp3s, Viagra adverts and 419 / phishing scams?

It's all on their computer, so they must be guilty.... :-D

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