Hyperion pre-announces OS4.1

[uncharted]

Matt_H wrote:
@ uncharted

Relax, it's just a little fun with words. We've got to learn to laugh at ourselves as a community after all nonsense over the years.

There was nothing "fun" about it.  It was a snide comment, reminiscent of the bad old days and totally unnecessary.

I was hoping after the general good behaviour around the MOS2.0 announcement  that we'd maybe turned a corner.  However it seems there are some who still want to hold on to the old blue/red crap.

[cv643d]

Anyone have any insider info?

As someone before me mentioned seems insane to develop this for A1 and eventually AmigaPPC.

[itix]

Amiga, Inc. has the "Amiga" trademark, but do they have the "AmigaOS4.1" trademark?

They dont have to. You can not register "AmigaOS" trademark (if not already registered) because it contains word Amiga which is registered trademark of Amiga, Inc. and their trademark is used for similar stuff.

Hyperion Entertainment could maybe get away by using AOS acronym. There is already ACube which stands for Amiga Cube but officially there is only "ACube".

Can Hyperion successfully argue that it's not a derivative work?

That would be cool ;-)

[mfletcher]

All 5 existing OS 4 users will be clapping their hands in glee at this announcement.

In other news, PPC cards double in price on Fleabay.

[takemehomegrandma]

uncharted wrote:

Matt_H wrote:
@ uncharted

Relax, it's just a little fun with words. We've got to learn to laugh at ourselves as a community after all nonsense over the years.

There was nothing "fun" about it.  It was a snide comment, reminiscent of the bad old days and totally unnecessary.

I was hoping after the general good behaviour around the MOS2.0 announcement  that we'd maybe turned a corner.

But FFS, you are blowing this way out of proportions. Besides, FACTS are:

1. OS 4.1 isn't available today despite this announcement.

2. Its release date is not even known. Both availability and price are to be made public in a *later* announcement, possibly the real announcement announcing the product (and I quote from the announcement in question: "Details on pricing and availability will be forthcoming").

3. So there will obviously be a *new* announcement in a more or less close future saying "OS 4.1 is now released", but *this announcement was not it*! You can call it "a heads up" or or you can call it a "pre-announcement", but that's what it is!

Nothing more to it than this, so relax!

On AW.net I saw a thread labeled "OS4.1 is OUT", but *it's not*, the only thing that is out now is an announcement saying that a new version of Hyperion's OS will soon come, and it will have some of the features seen in MorphOS 2.0, plus some different ones.

No product, no date, no price info as of now. All that will come *later*.

What came now was a pre-announcement with a funny timing (right after the MorphOS 2.0 release) with an *obvious* intention behind it (nothing wrong with that intentions, those means of competition can go both ways).

However it seems there are some who still want to hold on to the old blue/red crap.

Only you mate, only you. No one else here is doing what you do.

Now please stop this crap. :pissed:

[takemehomegrandma]

itix wrote:

Can Hyperion successfully argue that it's not a derivative work?

That would be cool ;-)

Indeed it would, and it would also bring good things to MorphOS as well! As far as we know, Amiga Inc are still considering MorphOS to be illegal (noncense of course). But if Hyperion would manage to get a court order proclaiming that they have the full rights to OS4, despite the obvious ties to Amiga Inc IP, then this will work as a precedent to the MorphOS situation as well, since no ties whatsoever exists between MorphOS and Amiga Inc IP. If OS4 goes safe from future legal {bleep}, then MorphOS will go safe even more! :-)

[uncharted]

But FFS, you are blowing this way out of proportions. Besides, FACTS are:

1. OS 4.1 isn't available today despite this announcement.

announcement
noun
a public and typically formal statement about a fact, occurrence, or intention

(Oxford American Dictionaries - emphasis mine)

2. Its release date is not even known. Both availability and price are to be made public in a *later* announcement, possibly the real announcement announcing the product (and I quote from the announcement in question: "Details on pricing and availability will be forthcoming").

From the press release:

is scheduled for release mid-Q3/2008

There is the release date right there.  If you don't except that as a valid date because it is not precise enough then you are being hypocritical considering a certain recent event.

Availability != release date.  There are other aspects of availability such as where a product is available from, and how to obtain it.  Release date is only a portion of this and has already been covered.

3. So there will obviously be a *new* announcement in a more or less close future saying "OS 4.1 is now released", but *this announcement was not it*! You can call it "a heads up" or or you can call it a "pre-announcement", but that's what it is!

No, you can call it an announcement, because that is what it is.  The irony that you've called it such in your "facts" seems to drive the point home.  There is no such thing as a "pre-announcement".  Where are all the articles proclaiming Apple "pre-announcing" Leopard or Microsoft "pre-announcing" Vista?  The only real fact is you added that to give a negative connotation to the title.  A very childish thing to do.

However, I'm sorry I've clogged up the thread with this.  Nothing more from me on the subject.

[uncharted]

takemehomegrandma wrote:

Indeed it would, and it would also bring good things to MorphOS as well! As far as we know, Amiga Inc are still considering MorphOS to be illegal (noncense of course). But if Hyperion would manage to get a court order proclaiming that they have the full rights to OS4, despite the obvious ties to Amiga Inc IP, then this will work as a precedent to the MorphOS situation as well, since no ties whatsoever exists between MorphOS and Amiga Inc IP. If OS4 goes safe from future legal {bleep}, then MorphOS will go safe even more! :-)

Depends on how they claim it is illegal.  If they claim that it contains stolen 3.1 code for example, then any previous legal result against Hyperion simply wouldn't matter.  The MorphOS Team could still find themselves having to go to court and going through the tedious process of proving themselves innocent.

[A6000]

Will this be available as an upgrade to OS4.0 or will people have to buy OS4.1 at the full price?
And will it fix the problems with memory addressing and hardware drivers.

[weirdami]

@uncharted

I think you really need to grow up.

In all cases, that phrase is an insult that means "what you think is stupid and you should start thinking like me". People should stop using it.
 :roll:

[Wolfe]

Ho Hum . . .

Wake me when its available with new hardware . . .  :roll:

[codenetfx]

I had some spare time this week and tracked down a company which claims to be able to reverse engineer any circuit board, build a copy of the board, identify the components and even source the components to build a fully functional clone.

A cloned PPC board, rebuilt and produced in batches would still be way too expensive (it would cost as much as a high-end laptop). However you look at it, PPC is not cost-effective and will *never* appeal to a broad user base.

Five current users of Amiga OS 4 will certainly disagree with me.

Why not try out the Efika board and MorphOS 2.0? The entire Efikacomputer costs less than a half what an average PPC card fetches on ebay.

Now, I have not tried MorphOS yet, but this seems like a viable solution. Has anyone tried out MorphOS (binary compatibility?) with Efika 5K2 board?

UPDATE: Just read another thread about instability of MorphOS and Efika.

Nothing like booting up OS 3.9



 :-D

[Piru]

OS4Emu 2.0 released!

*giggle*

[zylesea]

I don't know if it is an upgrade or a stand alone version, but 4.1 will cost you 105 EUR + VAT, which comes e.g. in Germany (19% VAT) to 125 EUR.