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Amiga 1200 Mouse Port issue *Updated*
« on: July 25, 2008, 09:25:28 PM »
Hi all, I have an amiga 1200, the mouse goes left to right, but not up and down (or Vice versa, been a while since I messed with it).  I was thinking about taking the pieces back out of the box to tinker with it, but last time I could never figure it out.  Any suggestions?  Mouse tests fine on A2000.  (Brand NEW Never used stock for sale a2000HD ;))
 

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Re: Amiga 1200 Mouse issue
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2008, 09:33:05 PM »
Sounds like it's not a mouse issue, it's an A1200 mouse port issue...
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Re: Amiga 1200 Mouse issue
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2008, 09:51:28 PM »
Yes, probably more properly described as 1200 mouse port issue.  Thanks!
 

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Re: Amiga 1200 Mouse issue
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2008, 04:50:57 AM »
 Check the traces of the mouse port.

 If everything OK, you have a busted CIA.
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Re: Amiga 1200 Mouse issue
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2008, 10:17:18 AM »
Have you checked the port pins to see if any are bent/missing? It does happen...

According to the schematic I have, the port(s) run the traces through EMI filters. One or two of these may be shorting or open. It's hard to describe in full detail what these things do, but you'll see three pins: IN, OUT, and Shield. The in and out is actually a feed-thru, and the Shield is a capacitive/ferritized thingy that gets rid of extraneous EMI (like the big ferrite beads you see on some mobos/cables). The in and out are connected, so should read as a short (continuity good), and the shield should be isolated from the pass-thru (infinite or open). If you get a reading between the shield and either in or out, then it's shorted. If you don't have continuity between in and out, then it's open. You can remove and just use a jumper from in to out in a pinch.

After that's checked, follow the leads to a 74LS155 IC (U34), and check it with a logic probe. You should read pulses on pins 2, 3, 4, and 5 as you move the mouse around. Pin 13 should pulse an output based on the mouse inputs. There's also another EMI filter (E374) to check after pin 13.

After that, you're looking at pin 20 of LISA (the MDAT line runs to Lisa for mouse data, the ODD_CIA reads the fire buttons, and Paula reads the pots). Also check the pull-up resistor pack (R370) to make sure they're all good (4.7K, or 4K7 for our overseas folks).

This is all based on your claim that the mouse works with another Amiga. The most common problems are a bad LED/diode inside the mouse itself, followed by a bad 7414 chip (Schmitt buffer for the V/H quadrature), a blown fuse for the mouse's 5V, and then the above list. To check the LEDs, just point a remote control at various digital cameras you may have, and see if they can "see" the IR signal. When you find one, just pop open the mouse, plug it in, and you should see the V/H LEDs light up on the camera's screen.

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Re: Amiga 1200 Mouse issue
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2008, 03:27:26 PM »
Well, thanks for the great info!  I checked all the traces, the motherboard looks perfect.  Saw no signs of any burned trace / component.  The Mouse port is on a small "Card" or sorts, which plugs into the main motherboard through a connector.  I am wondering if this is my problem?  It felt kinda loose, like the pins were not tight when plugged in.  Ever seen problems with these?  I followed the traces, they pass through to the back of the motherboard, and from there go to lots of what looks like resistors, I could not find the 3 connection devices you mentioned.
 

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Re: Amiga 1200 Mouse issue
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2008, 02:28:31 PM »
Well, I found a bad component, I just figured out which wires were which, figured it had to be a problem on the Horizontal Pulse, and started tracing it back.  Had continuity all the way up to a small dark brown surface mount component.  It is labeled with an E and I belive the number is E356 or E366 hard to read for sure.  Either way, there were several of them on the board, and using an Digital Ohm Meter, they all had continuity across them except them EXCEPT the one on the H-Pulse line, and the mouse does not move left to right!  Funny thing is though, these only have 2 connections, not 3, as you mentioned, unless its possible it has a connection UNDERNEATH it.  Its a very small surface mount part, about the same size as all the rest.  Where the heck can I buy one of these?  And what exactly am I looking for?  Emi filter?  Is it a fuse?  
 

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Re: Amiga 1200 Mouse issue
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2008, 05:34:36 PM »
If I were you, I would simply solder a thin wire to short the two points. I have done this on other similar circuits, and it worked fine.

No guarantee, it's just my suggestion :-)
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