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Re: Commodore 128 tower project started!
« Reply #14 from previous page: March 07, 2008, 04:00:23 PM »
Probably a better idea with the 128D, that way the keyboard is essentially done, and like you said there isn't a seperate floppy controller board to deal with.

I just got my 1541-III (ordered a pre-made one from Jusi so I can play until I build one for myself).  You can control it without an LCD so that may be a nice option as a device 9 (or 10 or 11) in a tower.
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Re: Commodore 128 tower project started!
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2008, 05:30:08 PM »
Use a 1750XL and not a 1750 in the Ramlink.  Smart choice going to the 128D.  I'm sure you saw it in one of the old Commodore World magazines but a guy in Florida did an excellent job building a tower such as you are.  There were pictures and everything.  If it was me I wouldn't worry about the 5.25 inch drive at all.  I would mount an FD drive internally and go only with 3.5 inch floppies.  There is not very much left in the commodore software world that hasn't had the protection taken out so that it can be put on the smaller disks and also onto your CMD hard-drive.  If you really need a bigger drive for something just plug it in the back.  Out of the front of the tower you will want the FD drive, HD, RamLink controls, and accelerator.  I had a kit that was made at one time for running a cable from the ramlink to an external control box.  It was made so that you didn't have to reach to the back of your 128D to push a ramlink button.  They stopped getting used much because people started setting the 128D's sideways so that the controls to the things plugged in the back could be reached.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot.  I had asked you once before and I don't think I ever got your response.  How are you planning to overcome the video output limitations of the 64/128.  I don't think it was ever done or can be done.  I know you can soeed up the processor, load instantly with ramlink, have enormous storage with the HD,  but in the end you are still stuck with the crummy video output.  That was why after almost 20 years I left the 8 bit scene.  You run into a brick wall when it comes to getting decent looking graphics.  That was why I chose to stick with the Amiga.  Good luck on your project.  I have to admit thinking about it makes me miss my 128D a little, but not enough to get it out of the attic.

Dan

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Re: Commodore 128 tower project started!
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2008, 10:06:38 PM »
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Re: Commodore 128 tower project started!
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2008, 10:30:20 PM »
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Oh yeah, I almost forgot.  I had asked you once before and I don't think I ever got your response.  How are you planning to overcome the video output limitations of the 64/128.  I don't think it was ever done or can be done.


If you mean better quality graphics over all, probably a not-doing.  If you mean better quality output, you could connect the 128's 40-column video output to a monitor with S-VHS (S-Video) inputs.  I built my own cables for this, 8-pin DIN with 4-pin SVHS on the other end.  Looks VERY nice on my 20.1" LCD.

At this point I've just about converted all of my old 8-bit consoles and computers to use S-Video: TI, Atari 5200 and 7800, and Commodore stuff.  Some require hardware hacks, some just require a cable.
 

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Re: Commodore 128 tower project started!
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2008, 10:38:16 PM »
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Oh yeah, I almost forgot. I had asked you once before and I don't think I ever got your response. How are you planning to overcome the video output limitations of the 64/128. I don't think it was ever done or can be done. I know you can soeed up the processor, load instantly with ramlink, have enormous storage with the HD, but in the end you are still stuck with the crummy video output.


For composite output (40 column) that is easy. There are many cheap composite to SVGA adapters on the market that do a good job. RGBi (80 column) is more difficult, but possible. THIS should work with a small modification. I will probably eventually install both in the tower case with 2 outputs into an monitor A/B switch, going to an LCD monitor.
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Re: Commodore 128 tower project started!
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2008, 11:45:10 PM »
Cool idea. Pictures, lots of pictures.

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Re: Commodore 128 tower project started!
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2008, 06:39:22 PM »
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Use a 1750XL and not a 1750 in the Ramlink


Please elaborate! I had problems with the 1750 in my setup.

128 > SuperCPU > RamLink > 1750 (in passthrough)

I'd get corruption on the 1750. I'd suspected possibly a problem due to distance from the real expansion port.

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I'm sure you saw it in one of the old Commodore World magazines but a guy in Florida did an excellent job building a tower such as you are. There were pictures and everything.


Al Anger, I used to see him in #c64friends IRC channel.I've seen the pictures. He's actually local to me, only about 70 miles away. I may try to contact him with questions.

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I would mount an FD drive internally and go only with 3.5 inch floppies.


Naah, still need a 1571 as #8 IMHO. Original floppy with copy protection or direct copies of originals still require it. The vast majority of applications are not fixed.
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Re: Commodore 128 tower project started!
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2008, 04:03:12 PM »
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Cool idea. Pictures, lots of pictures.

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Thanks!! Here's an update and a few pictures.

I did scrap the flat 128 motherboard idea completely, I am now using a 128D motherboard. It is a tight squeze, but with modifying the front metal cage it fits almost perfectly!!

HERE is a picture showing the front. I ended up cutting a little more off the area below the MB, but this pic basically shows that it fits. With the board mounted in place, the front plate easily fits with about 3/4" to spare. HERE is a top view.

The final cuts were made last night, the frame was cleaned and mounts were put into place. The motherboard has been mounted and I am pleased with the results. I have decided to put aside expansions for the moment and get the base 128 functional. Next step will be wiring, which will be very time consuming. I am modifying an ATX power supply and an 120VAC-9VAC step down transformer to provide power to the 128 and future expansions. It may be a while before the next update, gotta get parts from mouser.com..
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