Amiga osX

[GAG]

I dunno if I have got this right but if I haven`t then this might seem like a good idea to help stop pirating software.  Or maybe I am just repeating old news....hmmm...here goes.

Apple are using this great idea which they have introduced into thier own music software, itunes, where you can preview and listen to a music track before paying a small fee and downloading.  This is an old idea iirc but finally put to good use with Mac OSX and iTunes 4.  It`s known as the Apple Music store.

Ah, but what if you download the music and then copy it onto CD?  Well, from what I understand you can put that music file onto a CD or copy it 10 times before it becomes unusable...however I believe the track itself is encoded and they use some sort of serial number or encoding to make sure you don`t pass it around.  O.K. so there are ways around it but the idea seems good.

Maybe this is what M$ are trying to do with thier EULA and registration thingy?  They are going to encode the files and you can`t access them without the key which is generated via the serial number/s on your computer when you registeryour PC to M$ via the internet?
I have read all the articles about how M$ can access PC`s without your concent and change files remotely and how windows XP expects to connect to a M$ server when you go online!

What scares me most is that you computer gets probed ever minute by some scumbag and leaves a great gaping hole in your internet security.

THE BEST WAY to stop people copying software is to put a sodding big book with the disk and do what `Frontier Elite` did....ask for the word in a paragraph or page xxx!  By the time you have photocopied all the pages you might as well have bought it!  :-)

[iamaboringperson]

@derklempner

i'm with everyone who says licences that try dictate to you what you can and can not do with something you have *paid for* are absurd

why the asteriges around paid for? you dont seem to under stand what a licence is all about  when you have bought and legaly agreed to a licence you must follow the licence. how absurd is that

"re-read my earlier post, you can only buy a license to use Mac OS X on apple branded hardware."

true.

damn, does that mean I have to stop wiping my ass with OSX cds? would an apple tattoo on my left cheek satisfy the EULA?

you seem to be getting confused, a licence is for the software - not the medium on which it came... do you understand the difference between software and media? it seems to me you dont.

man! and all this time i've been feeding my chickens ground osx-cd feed.

well thats your problem... if you want me to reccomend a psychologist for you...

i suppose that violates the EULA too doesn't it.

again, you are confused with software versus A CD... and it probably does not violate the EULA, you would still own the right to the software(which is IP) even if you were to destroy the CD(which is a physical thing)

ho hum. now what will i feed the chooks?

i dont get your point here, moving on...

what i'm trying to say is that, as long as you have paid for it, i believe it should be up to the individual as to what they do with it.

you are free to believe whatever you want! if you have some software, you may release it under what ever damn licence you choose. however they meaning the software developer, have their oppinion too, and that is spelled out in the EULA... dont agree to it? then dont agree to it! simple as that! send the software back

if i pay for something i'm gunna do damn well what i want with it,

so i assume that might mean pirate & modify it as well? well you will have to take that with apple, wont you..

regardless of what its original intended use is

its original intended use is for sale... to be sold to make the developer money.. if you dont like that derklempner, dont buy it
basically your attitude shows me your ignorance
your posts give insight into your psychology,
and the thing about feeding CD's only proves your poor state of mind...
... you are not well my friend, and your rant might just show how much professional help you may need
unless you are joking of course ;-) i would prefer to believe(for your sake) that you are only playing devils advocate here, and are not serious.

(who ever said ignorance is bliss?  :-o  )

[BillHarrison]

Look, first of all, ALL americans are not like Marky boy here.  Most of us, are normal, and not an anally retentive A**hole.  

I agree 100% with the poster above.  The box, Says os X.  It does not say, OSX EULA.  You are PURCHASING OSX.  That is the deal.  You pay for it, its yours to do with as you please.  Apple has NO right to tell you what to do with said digital bits, as long as you do not break the copyright laws.  EULA's dont hold up, end of story.  You have purchase a CD, with digital bits on it.  Nowhere on an os X box (and I am looking at one as I type!) does it say that you are purchasing a license.  It advertises features, which are software.  Now, I can do anything I please with said software.  

Its punks like you that allow yourself to be tromped on and laws made that take away our rights as consumers.  If I want to buy OSX and install it in the onboard ecm in my winnebago, I will damn well do it.  I paid for it, and Apple has made their profit.  Apple charges what they feel is a fair price.  I paid that price, and now I can do as I please.  If I chose to put the cd up on a pedastal and never install it at all, thats my choice.  

You may be TECHNICALLY correct about the EULA, although I am sure it would be knocked down in court.  What you don't realize, is that you are letting apple  take away YOUR and my rights, by telling you what you can and cannot do with something you legitemately purchased.  

Apple makes a profit, I don't care otherwise.  

What I do with the CD which I purchased, and the software on IT which I purchased, is my business.

Whats next?  Food companys selling food you can only put in certain refrigerators?  

Come on, its really REALLY stretching the point to call someone who buys OSX and puts it on MOL a pirate!

[ottomobiehl]

The OS X EULA is ...
-EDIT: Took out links to Apples Website due to the fact it violated their online policy.  Also being called schmuck has traumatized me for life and will be in therapy until further notice. :-)

Here is the Uses and Restrictions:

2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions.
A. This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time,and you may not make the Apple Software available over a network where it could be used by multiple computers at the same time. You may make one copy of the Apple Software (excluding the Boot ROM code) in machine-readable form for backup purposes only; provided that the backup copy must include all copyright or other proprietary notices contained on the original.

B. Certain components of the Apple Software have been or may be made available by Apple on its Open Source web site (http://www.opensource.apple.com/) (collectively the “Open-Sourced Components”). You may modify or replace only these Open-Sourced Components; provided that: (i) the resultant Apple Software is used, in place of the unmodified Apple Software, on a single Apple-labeled computer; and (ii) you otherwise comply with the terms of this License and any applicable licensing terms governing use of the Open-Sourced Components. Apple is not obligated to provide any maintenance, technical or other support for the resultant Apple Software.

C. Except as and only to the extent permitted in this License and by applicable law, you may not copy, decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, modify, or create derivative works of the Apple Software or any part thereof. THE APPLE SOFTWARE IS NOT INTENDED FOR USE IN THE OPERATION OF NUCLEAR FACILITIES, AIRCRAFT NAVIGATION OR COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS, AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL SYSTEMS, LIFE SUPPORT MACHINES OR OTHER EQUIPMENT IN WHICH THE FAILURE OF THE APPLE SOFTWARE COULD LEAD TO DEATH, PERSONAL INJURY, OR SEVERE PHYSICAL OR ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE.

Here is where it states the type of Machine to run the software on:

This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time.

I think that this would be hard to prove in court for Apple for I could write Apple on my computer and it would be Apple Labled.
(-edit-)
(disclaimer) I am not an attourney and this should not be regarded in any way as advice towards what rights you may or may not have.  Also "Apple Labeled" may be covered in there legal paperwork covering trademarks and the such.

While we are on the subject here is the definition of piracy:

Main Entry: pi·ra·cy
Pronunciation: 'pI-r&-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -cies
Etymology: Medieval Latin piratia, from Late Greek peirateia, from Greek peiratEs pirate
Date: 1537
1 : an act of robbery on the high seas; also : an act resembling such robbery
2 : robbery on the high seas
3 : the unauthorized use of another's production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright

as stated in the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary.

I hope that this helps.

(-edit-)
I hope someone takes the baton to find out what Apples EU EULA is and what the legal ramifications are.

[PastAmigaOwner]

This is really a sad thread.  Hundreds of people debating about an operating system that isn't even Amiga related in the slightest.  Even sadder is how many people have actually viewed it compared to the other Amiga-related posts.  

Perhaps if Amiga had a modern operating system release, people would quit trying to install other operating systems on a hardware architecture that was designed to support Amiga OS, and then this entire discussion would be a moot point.  It seems kind of senseless to be trying to install OS X on AmigaOne hardware, regardless of whether it can actually be done.  If you want to do that, why not just buy a Mac in the first place - more powerful, less expensive (in many cases), nicer designs, more software, and certainly more up-to-date than comparable AmigaOne motherboards/systems.

What's the point???  Isn't this an Amiga discussion forum? :-o

[Wolfe]

Wow.  This was a monster thread.   :-P

Unfortunately it is much ado about nothin.  The so called "user agreement" comes after its been purchased.  You can't expect someone to obide by/or enforce an agreement after the sale has been made.

No court in the land (US) would take this case.   :-D

You buy it, you use it, have fun!   :-)  :-D  ;-)  :-P  :-x

[kd7ota]

Macintosh is poor OS. There, thats settled!  :-D

[WarPiper]

@ MarkTime

But, I will tell you this, lets go down the roll call of people who want to support illegal activity. Go ahead, jump in this thread with your whole hearted support of piracy. But later, when Amiga OS 4 is being pirated into oblivion, remember, you have nothing to say about it.

you talk as if you are the copyright owner of OSX, you also talk as if there was some way of stopping piracy in its tracks, when in fact OS4 or some other new amiga program may be found on a news server or kaza or some sh!t a week befor its released.  in the computer world, it dont matter what software for what computer it is, it will be pirated just for the sake of barder.  

PIRACY CAN NOT BE STOPPED AND thats a fact that Amiga zelots have to get use to.  Its up to the companies that create the new Amiga boards and the OS to market the platform good enough to get enough QUALITY developers with QUALITY PRODUCTIVITY and ENTERTAINMENT SOFTWARE that will attract enough customers  interested in the platform, where they will also start to see sales that will turn a profit regarless of some piracy.

[joec]

Thoughts on the issue from a few local Apple retail representatives who have collectively been invovled with the company for 20+ years:

"MarkTime"'s argument is perfectly valid, and if you were to disclose to Apple Computer that you're indeed running MacOS X on hardware other than Apple's, you *would* be admitting to software fraud.

But to rank "piracy" on account of a technicality (voided license) up there with the literal/traditional act of "pirating" software (as he does when making reference to piraring OS 4) isn't concrete support.  Not that it's really needed.  Mark is right either way, but I wanted to point out the weak brick in the fortress.

In any case, "Apple is in no possition to care, in the grand scheme of distrubution, sales, and share, if you're really going to run OS X on a true Mac box or other hardware.  They're happy to take your money either way.  Tell your Amiga friends to 'keep their lips sealed.'"  (Quote from regional distribution manager who will remain anonymous at her request.)

If you want to come to a compromise, install Apple's Darwin only.  

(And remember that issues in life are not always 0 or 1.  And SSRI's do wonders for obsessive compulsive disorder.)

[pjhutch]

Buying MacOS X is NOT Piracy. Running a purchased copy of MacOS X on non-Mac hardware is NOT Piracy but it DOES mean you are breaking Apple's EULA.

Piracy is stealing, but what applie saying that it will not support or condone use of MacOS on non-Mac hardware.

Please do not use word 'Piracy' when it does NOT apply here.

Anyway I doubt MacOS X would work on an AmigaOne or Pegasos anyway without some sort of hack...

[mdwh2]

If you want to do that, why not just buy a Mac in the first place - more powerful, less expensive (in many cases), nicer designs, more software, and certainly more up-to-date than comparable AmigaOne motherboards/systems.

Because maybe people want to run Amiga software and other platforms, without having to buy two machines? Admittedly yes, at the moment you can't run anything Amiga related on the AmigaOne, but it's still a relevant question either for the Pegasos, or for when OS4 is finally released. Emulation of other systems on Amiga hardware has always been on topic for Amiga forums.

[Stew]

Buying MacOS X is NOT Piracy. Running a purchased copy of MacOS X on non-Mac hardware is NOT Piracy but it DOES mean you are breaking Apple's EULA.

Piracy is stealing, but what applie saying that it will not support or condone use of MacOS on non-Mac hardware.

Please do not use word 'Piracy' when it does NOT apply here.

Anyway I doubt MacOS X would work on an AmigaOne or Pegasos anyway without some sort of hack...
 
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If that is true that would also apply in the case of running OS4 on a Peg. That would not be piracy either. I wonder what AI and Eyetech would say about that!
Stew

 

[T_Bone]

Step wrote:
I have today written an email to the Swedish Competition Authority asking for clarification on this Apple EULA issue, will post their reply as soon as i get it.

Don't forget that you can put ANYTHING in a EULA, but that doesn't necessarily mean they have a legal right to do so. If the use is protected by the Copyright law as "Fair Use" then the EULA is useless. United States Fair Use laws win in conflicts with a EULA. a EULA is not a law.

According to the Register of Copyrights, Marybeth Peters, "fair use is a flexible, technology-neutral doctrine, allowing reasonable and socially desirable uses of copyright works, even when they are not authorized by the copyright owner"

US Copyright law:
TITLE 17 > CHAPTER 1 > Sec. 117.  Prev | Next
Sec. 117. - Limitations on exclusive rights: Computer programs


(a) Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy. -

Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided:

(1)

that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner,

(Sorry Apple, US Copyright Law supercedes your EULA)
 

[kolla]

Hey, yo you schmuck, you cannot just link to the fruitcompany's site like that!

sheesh!!

http://www.apple.com/legal/default.html

You may not use any “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider” or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology, or any similar or equivalent manual process, to access, acquire, copy or monitor any portion of the Site or any Content, or in any way reproduce or circumvent the navigational structure or presentation of the Site or any Content, to obtain or attempt to obtain any materials, documents or information through any means not purposely made available through the Site. Apple reserves the right to bar any such activity.

Oh no!!  Now you made me do it too!!  Aaaaarg!   :-o

[olegil]

Good one, Kolbjørn.

I would like to state once and for all that I have SERIOUS doubts that Apple could take anyone to court for GIVING them money and USING their software. Not without SEVERLY loosing face, anyway.

Emulation doesn't mean piracy, and not upholding an agreement you only got to see AFTER you paid does not equal illegal.

The thing that COULD bother Apple is that they are loosing money from the sale of Apple hardware. But come on, it's not like anyone in their right mind would buy both an AmigaOne/Pegasos and a new Mac, because only ONE of these solutions has HALF a chance of feeling right for an old Amigan, while BOTH solutions has the option to run the latest MacOS and applications. This could change if Hyperion and/or Genesi got a deal with the devil to port their OS to that other platform.

I think Apple would actually make money if I could buy their hardware and triple-boot it with Linux, OSX and OS4. Seriously, I think that would mean extra money for Apple.

But they insist on not wanting that, right?

The important thing is to not pirate (I wouldn't install OSX on more than one machine per license, for instance).

Btw: Check out the license for the excellent electronics design package Eagle which I use at work.

http://www.cadsoftusa.com/

They have a freeware version for hobbiest, a non-profit license for advanced hobbiests. Then there's the standard version and the professional version for business and home use, with single user (can install on 3 machines, just not use them at the same time), 3 & 5 user licences and a server license for those who are running thin clients. All in all, I think these guys have come up with a GREAT licensing. At work, we buy the single user licenses so we can install them on office PC, home PC and laptop and keep working wherever in the world we may be. If everyone was as flexible as these guys, the world would be a better place.