Did Producer Timbaland Steal From the Demoscene?

[jkirk]

ral-clan wrote:

uh ripping is copying a digitalsong from a cd.

sampling is recording a digital file from an analogsource. this can also apply to using digital files in such a way to create a song.

Sorry man, but sampling is taking audio from any source (digital or analog).  The very Wikipedia article you guys referred me to states that the earliest samplers were doing everything in the 1950s/60s with analog tape.  (analog to analog).  Today, a lot of people sample from both analog and digital sources.

this is true but in today's society this is not a commonly used method. as for sampling digital files you missed part of my post.

this can also apply to using digital files in such a way to create a song

though in the most strict terms it is taking a part of music for use in another song. it is also a term used to describe the transfer of music from analog to digital. the transfer of digital to digital is best described as ripping since the sampling process is not being used.

What I was trying to point out is the fact that a lot of people (Timbaland included) are trying to defend what he did by saying Tempest was merely sampled.  By this logic, if Timbaland only SAMPLED Tempest then this somehow falls under fair use, and he did nothing wrong.

actually sampling don't get you a get out of jail free card when it comes to this. he can use "clear" samples but not any sample. a clear sample is a sample from a pd recording from a pd arrangement. since both are public domain there is noone to pay. since this was not a pd performance or a pd arrangement any sampling excuse is just that an excuse. Read the page piru linked to it spells the law out pretty well.

[LoadWB]

I have to agree that the issue of symantecs is definitely a grueling point over this issue.

So...

Timbaland did not sample Tempest's song, he ripped it.

Timbaland did not steal the song, he used it without permission.

Timbaland did not write the song, he plagiarised the original.

Timbaland is not a thief, he is plagiarist.

Timbaland is not creative, he is a con man.

And it was not a video game, jerk, it was a real song.

Timbaland took someone else's work, slapped his name on it and profited from the deception.

Even so, the comment about taking it from a video game is a slap in the face of musicians who create music for video games.  Look at some of the great music from games in the Amiga past: Shadow of the Beast, The Killing Game Show, Silkworm, and I'm sure plenty of people have their favorites (my favorite from the PC is Incoming.)  I have a couple of CDs of game sountracks, my favorite being "Robotech: Invasion."

Timbaland is also an arrogant a$$.

[jkirk]

Timbaland did not sample Tempest's song, he ripped it.

i can agree with everything except the line quoted above since we don't really know how the song was converted. if there was a conversion prog that he would know about then yes it was ripped. however if he played it from a c64 and captured it then it was sampled. since we don't know the method used we will never know what it was.

[Piru]

@jkirk

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2774/sidstationeh4.jpg

While he could have used other means to "grab" the original, you'd imagine sidstation was what he used.

And how is conversion ripping while recording off some HW isn't? So to avoid being called a ripper you just need to replay the module thru some player and record the output? Sorry, this does not compute.

He recorded the original track, removed the drums and added some bass, drums and lyrics. This is ripping, clear and simple, regardless of the physical method of obtaining the original audio data.

[LoadWB]

I wonder...

TechWeb: Timbaland To Release First Mobile Album On V-Cast

[weirdami]

I was wondering what happened to all this. Let resurrect this thread so I can find out.  :-D

[LoadWB]

I just did.  For better or for worse :crazy:

[A6000]

It all comes down to whether you work in the industry or not, if you don't then that track stored on your computer is theft, if you have a recording contract, then it is a sample.

There was a long argument over how long a sample can be, now all IP, music, film, video, designs, etc, are all protected with ruthless efficiency, so if we want to find a legal limit on the length of a sample, let some programmers "sample" some microsoft code, then we will have our answer.  

[ami_junki]

Well as a producer in the hardcore breaks scene I gotta make a comment about this, I heard the two tunes and first of he did not sample - he ripped it, sampling is taking a sound and remaking it into a new sound ... at least in most producers books. Now all he did was to put some beats over the original tune and some vocals, now that is called a REMIX, he did a bloody remix and called it his own original tune.  

He a is lying, tone deaf piece of sh*te, where as most other producers have the simple manners to either ask or to say the tune is a remix of another one.  Sorry if I seem a bit pissed off but if I have had this happen to me before, I had worked on some tunes for 4 months and some bugger took them remixed them and called them his original tune.  No way should he get away with this and I hope that he gets burned - just because we are not famous does not mean that we should allow the big guys to bugger us.

Phew!  Almost broke the keyboard with this post.  :madashell:

[SamOS39]

timbaland is a {bleep}ing {bleep}!
sampling music to make new music has been going since the 60s and has been very sucseful, its ok when its popular/classic songs that people have heard becuase it is clear that he didnt compose the origional music and that the origional artist would still get some kind of credit.
BUT i think it is wrong that he is sampling music from the underground demoscene because people might think that he has composed the background music himself!