know what I find amazing.....?

[Cryten]

I personally do miss the "retro feeling" in games of today, but that doesn't mean that I don't like any of the new (3D) games that appear. However, I have found an alternative platform that seem to offer quite a lot to people like me... GBA :-)

Btw, I still think that Quake I&II is quite mindless blasting action, and even though similar games can be quite fun, these games sucks (Even though they're available on the Amiga  ;-) ).

[Tomas]

Yes, its nice with good looking gfx but sadly many of those games does not have the good playability...
I think playability should come first then gfx...

Personally i dont even like the quake series... I like the orginal UnrealTournament though.. UT is something i would like to see on the amiga

[Tomas]

nm this one

[amigamad]

True but the old amiga games are still great.I love pc games when they work most have a milion bugs like maffia and gta vice city.im looking forward to max payne 2. :-)

[WarPiper]

I dont care what the platform is, if the game is good I like it, I also like alot of eyecandy and realism.  The amiga was good for the time at games but has lost the battle.

[Ilwrath]

@Aegis-

Ilwrath: Why do you have to run a crack to play UT2003?

Actually, two reasons.
1) The original CD Copy protection would bomb out on my Toshiba DVD-ROM drive.  Someone said the newest patch takes out the CD requirement, though, so that should fix my problems.  (Once I made it to an update that worked, I stopped adding incremental patches.  I'll go back and pick up the latest one, and give it a try)

2) While playing on-line, the game bombs out with an "Invalid or Duplicate CD-KEY" error, and then dumps back into the main menu.  Now, I bought the game the day it came out, and my CD-key has never been out of my sight (not loaned or left at a LAN party, or anything like that) so I highly doubt someone copied mine....  Though an early keygen hack may have created a duplicate to my CD-Key, I should hardly be punished for that, though, since I could easily enough prove I have the original.  

Really, it's not that big of a deal, it's just that when a company releases a product that has that serious of problems with copy protection routines not working properly (yet it is cracked before release, anyhow) one really has to ask what they were thinking.  Creating hassles for your paying customers is never a good plan.  Personally, I'd have to think long and hard about if I'd bother to buy the next UT game, after this experience.

[Im>bE]

>Yes, its nice with good looking gfx but sadly many of those games does not have the good playability...
I think playability should come first then gfx...

This I agree with.

>Personally i dont even like the quake series...

Me neither.
(a)doom sucks too.

>I like the orginal UnrealTournament though..

Me too!

>UT is something i would like to see on the amiga

Its a kewl game,
but is not necessary to port for that reason.
Carmageddon would be a better choice.


the key to a game is playability
nomatter what gender.

My problem with 3d games
is that they are too unoriginal.
its like one can describe all of them
with the words 'shoot' and 'kill'.

with 2D games, there is far more variety
in gametype, and one do not have to consider
an extra dimension so it automatically gets
more overviewed on the 2D monitor.

But when done well,
a 3D game can be very playabal,
just look at Frontier elite 2.

When an amigan gets happy when a game is ported to amiga, it could be because they HATE using windows, and HATE when winduds screw up everything, and HATE when they have to install a gillion things on the winblows to get it work correctly or faster.
 Atleast I had these problems alot
in the time I played many different games on pc.

now I play carmageddon on it from time to time.


-good- retro games bloody rocks.

a 3d game with poor playability is nothing
compared to quality 2D games.

there ARE probably ppl who thinks crap of pc games,
and go crasy on them when they get ported,
but these are fewer than you think (you who started this thread).
maybe 1 amigan of 100 is that frantic...(?)

[Ilwrath]

My problem with 3d games
is that they are too unoriginal.
its like one can describe all of them
with the words 'shoot' and 'kill'.

Huh?  Hardly.  Perhaps in 3d (first person) SHOOTERS are all about shooting...  But what in Papyrus NASCAR (A descendent from Indy 500) , NHL'03, FIFA '03, or any number of other non-shooters I have sitting around here have to do with killing.  Yet they all benefit greatly from 3d hardware.  I wouldn't dream of going back and playing NHL '95 from the flat days...  Or a sprite-based 1st person racing game.

(Though, really shooters, racers, sports, simulators, and some strategy games are about all the GOOD uses of 3d I can think of.  I'm not coming up with a good unique 3d puzzle game.  The closest may be Pontifex mentioned here a while ago...)

-good- retro games bloody rocks.

Sure they do.... as do -good- modern games.  :-)  (Of course, there's probably more bad than good, both back then and now.)

When an amigan gets happy when a game is ported to amiga, it could be because they HATE using windows, and HATE when winduds screw up everything, and HATE when they have to install a gillion things on the winblows to get it work correctly or faster.
Atleast I had these problems alot
in the time I played many different games on pc.

I'd say this is the opposite.  You have to apply so damn many patches, updates, libraries, fastmem tricks, etc, just to get an Amiga game to play at a near-crawl that it really is a much larger pain than the PC version.

For the most part, on Windows....  If you're installing something to try to IMPROVE performance, it's a VERY good chance you're actually doing the opposite.  Run your Windows installation as stock as possible.  The only things you should ever update are Internet Explorer, DirectX, graphics drivers, and chipset drivers.  Period.  Ever.  Update or install something OTHER than those things, and watch the performance start falling apart.  Most of the performance problems with "Windows" start showing up when you install MusicMatch Assrape Jukebox 10.302 beta Real (registry mangler) Player 8, and any Windows Media 9 DRM crap, and such like that.  Keep it off your system, and you're home free.

[WarPiper]

@ Ilwrath

I agree, there have been a hell of alot of games on the amiga that I had to add patches/hacks to just to play a game in slow motion on a 060/50Mhz 4000 with cv643d and 118Megs ram.  The amiga is anything but free from its installation problems when it comes to playing modern games.

ok ok Grant it, windows has it problems also, but I have to say that I for the most part have no problems playing games on the PC with windows (LINUX SUCKS!)  I dont really have the type of performance problems that others here have stated.

And yea, ok 3d is not every thing, but it is a nice thing, I dont play constant midless shooting games all the time and if a game seems like somthing that I have already played, I dont buy it, like red alert 2, ages of empires, dune2, dune 2000, outpost,Jerasic park (sucked),  yadda yadda yadda, I liked dune 2 on the amiga and I have bought red alert 2 for the pc and love it, but I would not ever buy ages of empires or anything that looks so similar in game play.  I also like UT and Q3 team arena, but I am not a very big fan of DOOM, DOOM2, or Quake1.  I love race games and space games and games like tomb raider.  

JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE ALOT OF GAMES OUT THERE THAT ARE SIMILAR, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO BUY THEM, use your best judgement, I can not see playing the same game with just a differant name on it over and over again, and if thats what some of the Amiga people who complaine alot about PC/Mac games do, then hell, I dont want to be the one in the store asking them for an opinion,  those type of people should stay to Amiga magazine cover disks for their games.

[WarPiper]

 :-P

[iamaboringperson]

As for the slightly older, budget shelf, iama- I really liked Alice. It's very trippy, if you have a machine with enough horsepower to crank the detail. (1+ghz / fast OpenGL card) I wanna play that game again, too. I loaned my copy to a friend and haven't seen it since.

thats my problem, i have a 4 year old x86 machine and dont give a #### about upgrading it right now, because ill just be getting a great big large size pegasos in the near future!
so, i was going throught the re-release software, and pre-selected a few software titles that might be interesting:

- Alice

- Heratic II

- Beasts and Bumbkins (!)

- Dungeon Master II (not sure if thats the exact name...)

what i now would like to know, is how you feel about each... i have no idea

[lempkee]

seriously there is so few games i love on the pc, i tried alot....

unreal tournament (first one)
ignition
max payne
monkey island iii (not 3d ..i know)

are bascally the only games i like....loved...couldnt stop playing...for the small time i had a pc avail...(a 3 years period)
and also... heretic 2 and freespace are good examples of good 3d games , quake 2 is not my kinda game really...its fun for a while but not the best game ever etc

beeing ported to amiga ...well imho its good for the plattform but i rather have more 2d games instead..

the best games on amiga the lastyear must be tales of tamar and crossfire 2...

a good game is one u cant put down, like ut , heretic 2 etc..for me...i played till i completed em..and now years after i still play em ..sadly ut aint on amiga so i cant play that,....but i wanna ...

cheers