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OS4 / A1 How it happened (tongue in cheek)
« on: August 13, 2003, 12:56:37 AM »
This was formally posted on Amigaworld, but as no bugger goes there I thought i'd re-post to AO.... as i said tongue in cheek.... enjoy .. ;)


I thought i'd speculate a bit on how our current
situation came to be, and knocked up a purely
fictitious conversation between 2 Ainc Employees.


My point is we've had a year or two of being drowned
in an avalanche of not very much at all.

Firstly distinct lack of product (unless you count the
SDK... and personally I don't), numerous changes of
direction, including one or two quite remarkable
u-turns...

... monthly executive updates, telling us just how busy
they are, making deals, negotiating with imgaginary (at
least to us it seems) people, trying to figure out
exactly what this Amiga thing is all about and just what
are they going to do with it.......

Bill Mc after he realises just what he's spent a million
bucks on:

" Dayum, they never told us this stupid rotten
trademark we've gone and bought came with it's own
freakin community . . . they seem kinda restless . . . . .

. . . aaaw shucks Fleecy, I knew I should have bought
them there magic beans instead "

True quote, he really said that.


So have the trademark owners actually been doing
since their last Executive Update? They won't tell us
anything, not a peep from any of them.... The last exec
update was months ago.... so all I have to go on is what
I see them doing, which at the moment is not very much.....

The silence is astonishingly stupid or brilliantly clever,
I've a feeling it's the first one and theyre being mind
bogglingly rude to their user base. People are getting
fed up waiting for their shiny new, albeit rather antique
Amigaones to arrive and and are looking for
something from Amiga Inc, seeing nothing but a wall of
silence they're quite correctly coming to the
conclusion that they must be a bunch of arrogant,
extremely rude and astoundingly foolish organisation.

There is no evidence to indicate otherwise, a simple
executive update is not a great deal to ask, months
have passed..... I can be bothered to write this, Bill
Mcewen, are you so lazy that you can not find an hour
of your secretive (but assuredly busy) time?

Are they dead? just a thought.. maybe someone should
go and pop their head around the door.

There's a familiar pattern to non announcements, i'm
sure they will announce with much fanfare along with
sickly layers of self congratulation, that will border on
corperate narscism, when in actual fact they won't
have made anything.... sure , they delegated the
difficult part of the operation (actually creating the
product) to two sub-contracters.......



Mostly silence from the monkey house, peppered by
increasingly vague announcements mostly discussing
future announcements and how they're going to be
much better than this announcement.
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Below is a purely invented conversation, which is
primarily a simple piss take........ I hope no-one is
offended by anything contained herin, any relation to
persons living or dead, locations and old jokes is
entirely correct and unavoidable, however no offense
is intended.


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BM: " Right, sorted, SDK, new era announced etc...
should keep em nice n quiet until we get this
thingymajig finished "

GP "Yeah, but Bill... what we going to do when they
work out that this Intent #### is never going to
work properly as an OS...."

BM "Aaah #### em, we've got a couple of months
before they start whining again, I'll tell em we'll do
OS4, promise them ppc or something."

"Just make it up as we go along, maybe we could tell
them OS4 is like stage 1 right.... then give it all
loads of Stage 2 OS4.2, 4.4 jackanory.. and 'f*** me
backwards!..... brilliant! "


GP:" What's that boss, you had an idea ?"

BM:" Gary me old mate, i'm a genius...!!"

"Listen to this for some diamond storytelling, lets
promise them by say AOS5.0 we'll integrate this Intent
crap we're working on..... it's only good for handhelds, but they don't know that,....believe anything that lot will, just need to dangle a carrot..
.. blind leading the blind"



G P: "Yeah but we're working on this DE thing 24/7
righ now, poor old Gordon is going at it like a gypos
dog on a chair leg.... we haven't got time to do OS4 as
well, and it's not exactly a priority boss, we would have buried the project and got away with it if it wasn't for those pesky kids."



"You know what this 'community' is like thesedays, if we anno unce a shiny new os4, and then we don't
deliver the goods in 6 months they'll be on the dog and bone every 5 bloody minutes wanting to know when
it's going to be ready,




"We can't afford that kind of distraction messing things up, having that lot slagging us off online is going to make us look like a right pair of amateur boneheads to our new friends, we can't take the risk of a bunch of hopeless romantics losing us all those lovely millions of crispy, juicy, sensual dollar bills"




BM: You've been cashing your pay check for
single bills and rolling around in your undies again ?


GP: I saw this bird do it on TV once, I just wanted to try it, you know, see how it felt and stuff... I can't wait until we get our millions Boss, i'm going to change
all of mine into dollar bills and sleep in a money

bed.



BM: You're not joking either... thats whats scary....

Anyway...

"What we need mate, is someone to take all the crap
and abuse on our behalf, find someone who'll cock it
up for us and struggle to complete the project, The
rotweilers will be busy fighting each other in their forums and blaming our poor overwhelmed 'partners', while we can get on with the important business of convincing our paranoid friends they need this DE #### for their new fangled walkie talkies and the like."



GP: "You mean cell phones right boss?"


BM: "Really? ..those tiny things are phones?
Incredible, why I remember how 20 years ago we
made do with ordi...."


GP: "Boss, stop going on about the 1980's, you're
becoming obsessed, you've gotta embrace the future
and stop living in the past.......

Look, me and the lads were talking about this the other day,.... and quite frankly we don't think
you should have this big hair and highlight #### going
on at your age...


"I mean... *no-one* wears white socks with black
slip on shoes anymore... and I'm pretty sure no-one *ever* wore a tank top in that colour.... honestly, where on earth did you find it?.... I swear you can only buy #### in those colours at a charity shop."


BM: "My Mum likes it....."

G P: "Bill, she's 86..... and she calls you Kevin."


She can't see anything more than a foot away, she's buggered up that cat that lives with her.....


It does human farts all the time!.It even maintains eye contact, while it's squeezing one out, you can't tell me that normal behaviour... makes me feel guilty.

Poor sod has a spicier diet than an indian sewer rat.

She can't read whats written on the bloody food tins.....

Last time I came round to see you, I watched the sinister little bastard get through a tin of Sharwoods Hot Vindaloo curry sauce, a tin of chip shop mushy peas, and 3 pickled eggs....



GP: We were talking about DE weren't we ?



BM: She doesn't even have a cat.




......... Anyway DE, thats a #### name..how about Amiga Everywhere ?, we did pay a shockingly small
amount forthe name but we may as well use it... I
mean DE? pick any two letters VX ?



BM: Thats a nerve gas....

GP : Be kinda funny to supply microsoft though eh
boss ?


BM: Yeah, even less funny than your cat
story..... how about Amiga Anywhere ?


G P:Thats brilliant boss!! It says it all, you can use it anywhere, on any machine!!!!!



BM: Well, except on an actual Amiga


GP : What about this OS4 ? Who could we get to
work on a project of that size ? , Hey!, how about we
use that new morphos thing, would save loads of
time... it's half way there already......



Bill Mc It would be easy mate... problem is... if we
let those take over the project, it will be done in no
time... we can't have that, we NEED os4 to be delayed,
we dont want to be responsible for a finished product
and support etc etc while were doing a hit and run
job on Bill Gates....


Thing is mate, if OS4 goes tits up, we had nothing to do with it, however when it finally ships ...late, we had EVERYTHING to do with it..... see we're the good guys.



GP: How about those Hyperion guys ? there's only
about 4 of them, should take them a few years at
least.... sorted! We'll be on a beach in acapulco by then
spending our richly deserved winnings.... heheh


BM: Gary, have a word with yourself, we're not doing
a bank job here, what were doing is perfectly legal...
we're the middle men, borrowing clever ideas,
thinking about them for a little while and selling them
to howhever thinks they need it.


G P: Christ on a Bike boss, you mean this ####'s legal?


BM: Everyone's paranoid mate, we're just here to
make them feel a little better..... Amazing what a bit of
polish can do to something ordinary.


G P: You bet boss, hey! Why don't we look at that
Pegasos thingy, someone must need one ?


B M. We can do many things my friend, but alas you
can'tpolish a turd.


/sarcasm mode/

..... however to A.Inc's, credit they did delegate those
roles in a particuarly impressive and awe-inspiring
display of recourse management. I doubt it's like will
be seen again in my lifetime.... some of the telephone
work was apparently a delight to behold.

Congratulations on showing us all, how when this
product eventually reaches the retail market it is
because of the hard work, daily graft, innovative
design skills and ingenious problem solving, and the
communicative way in which you answered all of our
questions, while undergoing abuse from the other
side....


Yes Amiga Inc, you really pushed the envelope for us,
selflesly going out of your way to participate in what
according to Bill Mcewen is it's most precious asset,
....the community itself....... thanks Bill, you showed us
just what we, the community mean to you. What a superstar!

/\sarcasm\




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Re: OS4 / A1 How it happened (tongue in cheek)
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2003, 01:05:55 AM »
Do you have a life? :-?  :-D
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Re: OS4 / A1 How it happened (tongue in cheek)
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2003, 01:07:58 AM »
As i said it's satire.... read it as such.
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Re: OS4 / A1 How it happened (tongue in cheek)
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2003, 03:56:10 AM »
I believe Skyraker brings up some valid points.
I do feel the communication from Amiga Inc has
been lacking, however being the optimist that I am,
I feel they are doing the best they can regarding
product development.  Though the leadership
at Amiga Inc has demonstrated a consistent
direction the past several months, this has certainly
not always been the case.  It is certainly challenging
to remain loyal to the cause when the direction
has constantly changed.  Amiga Inc certainly receives more critisism than they deserve, but they are some issues that should be examed with
reservation.  Before everyone starts blasting the
Amiga Inc critics, we need to remember they are
also part of the community and certainly affect
the outcome of how successful (or unsuccessful)
the Amiga and its related counterparts become.
Just trying to stay objective.
   
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Re: OS4 / A1 How it happened (tongue in cheek)
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2003, 04:09:06 AM »
Er.. I just meant the time you must have spent typing that... :-o
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Re: OS4 / A1 How it happened (tongue in cheek)
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2003, 04:14:08 AM »
@Skyraker

Erm, weren't you an avid AInc supporter a few months ago?  Well, I guess the world changes.  It isn't as if AInc did anything in the last few months to deserve any supporters.
 

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Re: OS4 / A1 How it happened (tongue in cheek)
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2003, 04:26:05 AM »
As one of the people responsible for it, I have to say that the idea that the DE would be a full 'OS' Real Soon was really brought on by enthusiastic evangelists, rather than management itself.  Fleecy seems to have always wanted a good UI atop it (suggesting 'general purpose' product, vs. the fairly 'dedicated' runtime it currently sits as), but everyone at AInc. did speak clearly that they were:

1.  Shooting for the portable/mobile market, and
2.  Not planning on memory protection any time soon.

It's just that the evangelists really didn't want to listen to point 1 (after all, we always were a desktop platform, and if it can 'run anywhere,' why not?), and point 2 really sent everyone into a frenzy.

The fact that they *did* reorganize to sate the community does say something.  As fate would have it, they might've done better trusting themselves, putting more resources into having something polished in time for the Zaurus placement, and less into herding the community...

...but you can't rewrite history, and they (and we) are stuck with the lot we've got.  If it goes forward, hallelujah, and if it happens to fizzle completely...  Well c'mon, if you saw Bill then, would you not have the decency to buy the man a drink, even if you reserve another to pour over his head? :pint:
 

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Re: OS4 / A1 How it happened (tongue in cheek)
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2003, 07:08:27 AM »
skyraker: your post tells me everything about you, i hope for your sake its just humor , as u obviously doesnt follow the news.

a hint: C.A.M ..

another hint: F.l.e.e.c.y ..

also i didnt even smile of your long and boring post, maybe you should start to write in the new york times ? ... :)

anyway its morning and i am grumpy!


Whats up with all the hate!
 

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Re: OS4 / A1 How it happened (tongue in cheek)
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2003, 09:36:21 AM »
It wasn't even funny. It was bitter and tired, as I presume you feel.

Cheer up, things may change.

There were valid points I agree, but it was too bitter to my taste.
 

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Re: OS4 / A1 How it happened (tongue in cheek)
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2003, 09:39:32 AM »
@Skyraker
 
If we ignore the politic message for a moment and just look
at the "story" per se, I think it's funny and pretty well
written (I did read this piece once before though, at
amigaworld, so it's the second time for me).
  I think you could have stopped GP:s monomologue about
BM:s old mum already at "... she calls you Kevin". That
was actually very witty - and it should have stopped there.
The "farting cat" business went on for too long and felt
unnessecary,  perhaps it should have been placed
elsewhere or removed completely. Otherwise I think it's a
cute little piece of sattire, no matter how much of its
sentiment you agree with.
 
As for the politics:
Many of the points are probably a reflection of what many
feel about how the situation has develeloped around AInc.
 The reason not much is cooking in the form of Executive
updates is simply because not much is there to talk about
(whether this state is a sign of "work being done behind the
scenes" or of the company being dead is where opinions go
apart). Personally I think it's better that they don't
announce stuff they cannot control. The damage is done
already with announcements in the past that fell through for
one reason or the other, reducing community confidence in
the company.
To their defence, they do have a bi-weekly Q&A session
with fleecy on a community website, open to all that's
interested. It's not much, granted, but it's at least not a
"wall of silence". Many seem to bash these Q&A:s in one
breath and curse AInc:s silence with the other. Weird (And
don't give me any nonsense such that the questions are
rigged. Then you haven't read that Q&A for some time.)
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SlimJim
 

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Re: OS4 / A1 How it happened (tongue in cheek)
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2003, 10:19:21 AM »
Wow, a very long post! :-)

As others allready pointed out, you seem to be a little tired of the situation. But trust me, you are not alone! I myself reached that point some 1.5-2 years ago (actually perhaps even earlier, I got very disappointed with them when they declared that the 'Amiga as a platform [later "Amiga Classic"] is dead' and that the new "Amiga" was the DE thingy). But then I realized that there was a Plan B (or rather "bPlan" :-P) ...


Quote
" Dayum, they never told us this stupid rotten
trademark we've gone and bought came with it's own
freakin community . . . they seem kinda restless . . . . .

. . . aaaw shucks Fleecy, I knew I should have bought
them there magic beans instead "

True quote, he really said that.


 :-o  :-o  :-o

Did he really say that?! When? Where?

Nah, it doesn't matter now anyway. Amiga Inc as a company is hardly existing/functioning anymore. But they were never really about Amiga anyway, so it doesn't matter. I guess the cell-phones has to live fine with Java in the future too, just like they do today! :-)
MorphOS is Amiga done right! :)
 

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Re: OS4 / A1 How it happened (tongue in cheek)
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2003, 11:51:53 AM »
Why so much effort?
Just IGNORE Amiga Incorporated.
It doesn't exist for me. It's just healthier to think this way.

And it was boring, your sense of humour isn't
highly developed, to say the least.
 

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Re: OS4 / A1 How it happened (tongue in cheek)
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2003, 02:14:46 PM »
. . . a really hot season this year!

Ciao