Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?

[Drummerboy]

Not today, but the Amiga "classic", is going by that way!..  If the user not wakeup!...

AMIGA IS BACK!

[cockney_dave]

Neither Pegasos or Amiga ONE have Amiga soul, surely Windows XP boxes are the only true Amigas  :-P

Seriously though, you can have similar arguments about other platforms: i.e. Apple, is an iMac running OS X really a Mac any more?! I would say yes, others would disagree, I know someone who refuses to run OS X because he thinks it isn't really Mac enough - whatever that means.

Personally I feel A1 is the real Amiga though, Pegasos is an attempt to create a new platform with an appeal to Amiga users, running Amiga software gives an instant resource pooI and selling point. I think we will find the two platforms will go in  quite different directions in the end.

[ShadesOfGrey]

Madgun68 wrote:
It's not. Happy?

Please.. Calm down and have some punch.

What punch?  Where?!?!? :-P

Seriously though, I'm fed up and pissed off.  I don't have anything against a reasoned debate...  Or even a heated debate...  But what's the use of a pointless debate???

[Samuar]

This argument/discussion would be a lot easier if one or the other (A1 or Peg) came with three custom chips designed to enhance multimedia, or displayed a floppy disk with a big tick - when turned on.

I'm not saying that this would make it amiga, but some of the features key to the amigas we remember of old, aren't exactly noticeable/there in the new boards. Whether thats a good or bad thing is beyond the scope of this 7 page debate.

Personally, i believe that if your an "old world" amiga  user and you are able to convert your use/skills/software etc to "new world" amigas (yes, I do use Macs too much, but x86s as well) - AND you still feel part of the community whilst using these two new machines, then surely they are both as amiga as we need them to be.

Its an opinion, i think its right - but u might not. fair doos. Jesus loves everyone, even wierdos without amigas. If you don't believe in Jesus, then John Lennon loves everyone, even wierdos without amigas. :-D

[ShadesOfGrey]

@Samuar

This argument/discussion would be a lot easier if one or the other (A1 or Peg) came with three custom chips designed to enhance multimedia, or displayed a floppy disk with a big tick - when turned on.

Hmm...  Would the use of the nForce chipset on a future AmigaOne or Pegasos count as "custom chips designed to enhance multimedia" :-)  ;-)  :-P  :-D

I'm just being silly...  I don't want to start another AOS/MOS on x86 thread.  I will deny any responsibility if one should emerge.

[mdwh2]

Kronos wrote:
@mdwh2
I'll have to point you to the reply Madgun made, we are not discussing
wether
they are "Amiga" or "Amiga-like", but wether they are "true Amigas",
and to
that question only A600-A4000 will get a positive answer FROM ME.

99% of all Amigas ever sold use 68k, and only a minority of those use
Zorro.

How many Macs were sold with 68k, how many with PPC ? Or NuBus vs PCI
?

So does this mean you are defining it based on the majority of models sold?

This is a reasonable definition - often when trying to classify sets of objects that aren't exactly the same, we look at what the majority possess.

But remember that this is also a definition that can change with time. If AmigaOnes with OS4 actually arrive, sell more than a small amount, and perhaps the Amiga lasts quite a few more years, then the definition will change to include these machines. On the otherhand, back in the time when the first PowerMac was only just released, one can imagine them not being considered "real" Macs (I don't know if Mac forums were full of discussions like these - but the fact that they used the seperate term PowerMacs shows that the term needed to be distinguished seperately - but a few years later, they were just Macs, and I haven't heard the term PowerMac in a long while).

Also when the AGA Amigas were released - at that time the A500 was by far the most popular Amiga, and for a while the market was split into "AGA" and "non-AGA".

This is kind of what I was getting at, in that only time will decide this. Perhaps the new machines will flop, in which case they won't really be grouped as "true" Amigas by most people. But if in ten years time PPC based Amigas are still around, and during that time they get covered and discussed in "Amiga" forums such as these, anyone who suggests that they're not "real" Amigas will probably get strange looks

(Talking of the A500, was that a typo when you said "A600-A4000", or did you mean to not include it?