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Re: Where can I find WHDLoad installed games ?
« Reply #29 from previous page: September 22, 2006, 06:29:43 AM »
@arkpandora

 I want to commend you on that EXCELLENT explanation of the crappy Animation epileptic seizure crap that WinUAE displays..............utterly makes WinUAE useless for me as a Total Amiga replacement.

 You see I once considered taking a laptop with WinUAE instaed of lugging my real Amiga and all its parts to the night clubs where I did VJaying.............but the animation looked like pure 100% Caca!.........but the funny thing is that other VJ's who were using PC laptops and were using Windows applications to do there visuals had the same Animation cracking epiliptic crap problem........and it was all because we all had to be connected to a Projector via S-Video and I guess their PC's couldnt handle the output realistically..............the Mac users seemed to do fine most of the time...and some PC did well also. I suspect there are Gfx cards out there that will get it right..............Possibly the ATI ALL-IN-WONDER Pro.......they know a little something about Video Output.  But thats one of the cards I tried it with and couldnt get the animations to look right.......although I did use the scan line effect which looks lovely and like a real Amiga, but the animations ran with that bad epileptic crap going on.......................

ontop of that the Mouse movement in WinUAE is awful....I still cant get used to it. Some people probably dont notice it.

 I know the Refresh or epileptic thingy going on can be fixed or displayed properly somehow if there is a proper S-Video output card.

 I thought I was alone on this.................now I know im not...........................PC's suck for Video most of the time.

CD32 is actually the best Amiga ever made by Commodore!...
 

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Re: Where can I find WHDLoad installed games ?
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2006, 04:25:54 PM »
To Coldfish :

At present, I can't test WinUAE on a TV or video monitor, as I need to move my PC for that purpose.  But I know WinUAE alone won't be able to solve the problem, as no other emulator I tested on my TV, including CCS64 which is an almost perfect emulator and doesn't even need as much as my PC's 500 MHz, can't solve it either.  That's the main reason why to date no emulator can replace my Commodore 64 either.

So for the moment I am testing WinUAE on my 60 Hz LCD monitor.  To this end I use the least CPU-demanding Amiga configuration possible : 68000, KS 1.3, OCS, no sound, no hard drive, etc., starting from the default settings of my freshly installed WinUAE, the latest version.  "Drive speed" therefore is definitely "100%", and CPU is on "match A500 speed".  What you call "frameskipping" (I suppose it is the "refresh" option) can't be changed, for whatever reason.  As it is not intended to re-scale the frame rate, I doubt it would help anyway.  I use two disks : a WB 1.3 disk in order to test the mouse pointer, and the demo "Deadly Jammin II" in order to test some scrollings that are perfect on a real A500, mainly a simple text scrolling.

I have now tried every possible option in order to improve the quality, but not one changes anything.  The animations remain awful, like on any other emulator I have seen.  As far as a scrolling is concerned, the problem caused by the refresh rate difference is obvious, and WinUAE behaves here like CCS64 on the same screen frequencies : scrollings are rough and make regular jumps.  Speeding up WinUAE to 60 fps in order to make it match the monitor frequency doesn't change anything, but it seems that this option has no effect if the frame rate is increased beyond the normal rate (50 fps).  When it comes to the mouse pointer, it seems to me that it isn't only a matter of gap between frequencies : the pointer is moved like Windows' mouse pointer, as if it was drawn pixel per pixel instead of being moved as a whole graphic sprite.  For example, as in Windows until W98, you can see several mouse pointers at the same time during motion.  By the way, 2000 or XP's mouse pointer moves slightly better, but still much worse than a real Amiga pointer on a native Agnus or Alice screen mode.

The only WinUAE setting that might have a chance to change something is the "Vertical sync" function in the Display menu, provided (according to the docs) that the screen mode is changed to a real 50 or 100 Hz.  Here it doesn't change anything, but I can't switch my LCD to 100 Mhz, and according to the docs this option needs a fast PC.  But in order to be effective, this option would have to change the 50.12 fps into an exact 50 fps, because a 100 Hz screen is exactly 100 and not 2 x 50.12 Hz ; I kind of made sure of that using CCS64 on my previous CRT monitor, whose 100 Hz modes provided the best animation (although still jumping).

I guess an earlier version of WinUAE would not help, since at least it would be necessary to bring the emulation to the same rate as the screen refresh rate.  Anyway the last WinUAE version I tested (on another Pentium 3) was earlier than 1.0.  I also tested the "Fellow" emulator, which brings the same results.

What's the model of your graphic card ?  As Leirbag28 confirms, maybe only some cards are able to output a TV signal without that scrambling of the input's frame rate.  Mine is a 1999 Guillemot Xentor 32, with nVidia TNT2 Ultra processor.

About your side note : you are right, but I don't use PC's at work, so I am pretty sure your hypothesis won't explain every situation !  There are even more people that binned their Amiga because they wanted that same PC they were used to work (and get bored) with.


To Leirbag28 :

Thank you !  I don't feel alone anymore either.

"The Mac users seemed to do fine most of the time" : how do you explain that ?  Did these Mac use special TV outputs, or a standard graphic card's TV-Out ?  If their outputs were the same as the PC's, then maybe the operating system is at stake.  Or Mac users were able in some way to preview the video result.


To _ThEcRoW :

I guess EAB has nothing to do with Amiga.org.  TjLazer was in fact referring to the Games download links, not another copyright policy.
 

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Re: Where can I find WHDLoad installed games ?
« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2006, 05:01:30 PM »
Ah well, It sounds like WinUAE doesnt want to play with you.

My HTPC is a Gf2-GTS-vivo & AMD Duron 1Ghz running XPpro and TVtool.  The Gfx card is modified to output Scart-RGB for connection to a TV or Projector.

I think TVtool tweaks the output signal to true PAL/NTSC?  I use NTSC because thats the native resolution of the projector I have and I get a pixel:pixel fit which looks nice and sharp.

I do remember noticing some issues back when I first setup this thing, but after all the tweakings and fooling about with it, I cant remember specifically what fixed it? Maybe it was simply TVtool or maybe it has something to do with my gfx card?

Sorry I cant help.
 

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Re: Where can I find WHDLoad installed games ?
« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2006, 06:47:14 PM »
Or maybe it is me who doesn't want to play with it.  After all, I thought WinUAE was useless to any Amiga owner until you found life easier with it !

Thank you for your informations.  Your PC seems to be rather standard, or I don't understand what you mean by "vivo".

Yes, I will try TVTool... when my Amiga is unusable.  Maybe I will also have bought a more powerful computer for UAE in the meantime.

What puzzles me is this paradox : you must have a very specific system (TV or video monitor, tweaking tools such as TVTool, etc.) in order to make UAE resemble a real Amiga, and yet most people, including former and present Amiga users, claim that WinUAE can replace a real Amiga.

Well, I must conclude that the mystery remains.
 

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Re: Where can I find WHDLoad installed games ?
« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2006, 09:49:46 AM »
VIVO, just means Video-In Video-Out, its a capture card and TV-out in one.  I got it for $7 (used) for the video-in feature, so I can record TV to the hardrive.

I didnt build this system with WinUAE in mind, I built it as a HTPC with some emulators, MAME and NeoRage ect, in the process of getting those to display nicely I discovered Tvtool which also got WinUAE to display better.

I just like tinkering with computers, I started on the C64 worked up through Amiga and now PC's, I dont get too attached to the hardware or spend a lot money, because eventually I do something wrong and it ends up in the bin.

Ooops!  :-D

My next project is a handheld PC based on nanoITX and a 7" touchscreen, it'll be cool and have an in-car mount with GPS.  I just have to wait for the mobo price to drop a bit more...
 

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Re: Where can I find WHDLoad installed games ?
« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2006, 04:16:26 PM »
Is the TV-in of your GF2 card a factory feature, or a do-it-yourself ?  Would it be possible that your TV-out is different from the standard TV-out of any other GF2 ?

As for me, I don't have any tinkering skills (so far I'm even unable to unsolder anything - just to burn irons), and I don't like that,  which is a handicap when it comes to (old) computers.  Actually I have several Amigas, but most of them are out of order because I haven't ever managed to learn how to fix them...
 

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Re: Where can I find WHDLoad installed games ?
« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2006, 05:25:43 AM »
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arkpandora wrote:
Is the TV-in of your GF2 card a factory feature, or a do-it-yourself ?  Would it be possible that your TV-out is different from the standard TV-out of any other GF2 ?
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Its a bog standard ASUS-7700/Vivo... something.

The main reason I used this card, is because it has a Chrontel TV-out chip, on which you can do a very simple hack to get Scart/RGB out, (my 5" LCD only has Scart/RGB in).  TVtool tells the card to output RGB instead of the usual Composite/S-video.

When I plug it into a VGA monitor or TV, WinUAE performs just the same, so my hack isnt doing anything special.  TVtool fixes the refresh rate to true PAL/NTSC with overscan ect.  The nVidia drivers dont allow for much signal tweaking and have only recently improved the tv-out functions.  Unfortunately, on newer cards the TV logic is integrated into the GPU so you cant hardware hack much.

Tinkering is a learning process, its fun if youre not too worried about breaking things. :-D
 

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Re: Where can I find WHDLoad installed games ?
« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2006, 11:30:35 AM »
Thank you, I have to bet on TVTool then.  I will let you know what the results are.