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Offline Dr_Righteous

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Re: CD32 Laptop
« Reply #14 from previous page: May 11, 2003, 03:57:23 PM »
I've been looking into the possibility of using the AverLogic AL250/AL251 in an external scandoubler... Perhaps this would help solve the LCD panel issue... Since Amigas do have both Digital and Analog RGB output.
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Re: CD32 Laptop
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2003, 04:51:33 PM »
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I've been looking into the possibility of using the AverLogic AL250/AL251 in an external scandoubler... Perhaps this would help solve the LCD panel issue... Since Amigas do have both Digital and Analog RGB output.


I doubt it.  The core of the problem is that most laptop panels use a proprietary Low-Voltage Differential (LVD) connection.  And grouping it as a "connection" isn't quite right, as each manufacturer uses a DIFFERENT implementation of LVD.  (I've yet to hear for sure if they are logic-wise incompatible, or if they just each toss all the pins into different shaped connectors)  But, as if all that wasn't bad enough, the laptop manufacturers guard the specs on their interface as a trade secret.

So, the problem is much less focused around getting your Amiga to output a reasonable signal than it is focused around getting your panel to accept and display ANYTHING.
 

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Re: CD32 Laptop
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2003, 05:19:45 PM »
A possible but not necessarily cheap solution is to use this eval kit from Averlogic:

http://www.averlogic.com/LCD_DTV/AL300.html

The Eval board comes with an interface card and a Samsung 15" XGA TFT screen.

The UK distributors sight is down so I can not get a price at the moment.

A picture of my Laptop Amiga  ;-)

http://www.hp-expo.com/uk/eng/products/notebookpcs/dd508a.html

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Re: CD32 Laptop
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2003, 07:40:49 PM »
I think you're looking at way more work than it's worth, unless you have nothing but time and money on your hands. If you do manage to do it though I'd love to see a pic of it when completed.
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Re: CD32 Laptop
« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2003, 09:16:11 PM »
When I started reading the replies about how hard and or expensive it would be to connect the laptop LCD I remembered that I had come across a little project solving this earlier.

After some extensive digging amongst my bookmarks I found it, check it out here: http://a26.lambo.student.liu.se/index.php?section=hard&project=vgalcd


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Re: CD32 Laptop
« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2003, 09:39:20 PM »
Forgot something important in my last post. Powering the CD32 with the laptop-battery should be no problem.

Stedy said this about his expanded CD32-system: "My SX32 Pro, 030/50 MHz + FPU + HDD uses 2.19 Amperes @ 5V and 0.077Amperes @ 12V".

This leads to that the power-requirements of Stedy's CD32-system is: 5 * 2.19 + 12 * 0.077 = 11.9W

To compare these power-requirements with how much juice the battery from a laptop can deliver I asked a friend of mine about the ratings of the battery used in his old P120-laptop (a Digital HiNote Ultra II). The battery was rated at 3.3Ah @ 7.2V and that gives the capacity: 7.2 * 3.3 = 23.8Wh.

If I use the power-requirement calculation I made on Stedy's CD32-system it would be able to last: 23.8 / 11.9 = 2h

These calculations are a bit rounded, but even if your CD32-system would use the double amount of power you would still be able to run it 30min on a similar battery. Worth mentioning are the fact that the this battery was from a very old laptop and a never battery will have much more capacity.
 

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Re: CD32 Laptop
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2003, 10:51:26 PM »
Me again!  :-)

@patrik:

I wrote a document on Aminet detailing Amiga PSU specs and power consuption,
http://www.aminet.net/hard/misc/psu-problems.txt

The bare CD32 uses less than an A1200 or A600.

My HP laptop battery supplies 14.8V @ 4.4A and last for upto 4 hours.

I can find 5" or 6" LCD screens with VGA or video inputs quite easily but expensive, around the 200UKP mark.

Another option is the LCD screen for the PSOne, again a 5" display. The connector to the PSOne is defined on the Hardware book and as a PSOne outputs PAL/NTSC, it should easily hook upto an Amiga.

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Re: CD32 Laptop
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2003, 11:00:01 PM »
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patrik wrote:
http://a26.lambo.student.liu.se/index.php?section=hard&project=vgalcd


That particular Sharp panel seems to be an 'easy one,' being standard VGA and having published specs.  A lot of the... ghettoer... controllers are built for it and its equivalents- specifically, those based on the Chips & Tech chipsets of that bygone era.

There are really only three or four laptop-panel interface standards, if that many, but then come issues like timings, bit-depths, voltages and pinouts.  Further, the same panel might come in a number of different interfaces- meaning that one digit of difference in the part number can mean nothing (different production run, different backlight tube, whatever), or total incompatibility.

I'm not sure if manufacturers really make a concerted effort to consider the pinouts "trade secrets," but they keep changing their lineups (fast moving industry, that), and tend to work on-contract for specific firms (Dell, or Dell's subcontractor needs X thousand displays with Y specs for a particular laptop)... thus, they've little impetus for providing spec sheets to the "general public."  Sometimes the European branches have more info available than the US sites, as there seem to be tougher laws on availability of support over there.

In any case, the pinouts may/may not vary based on whim and the phase of the moon- they might be using their own standard, they might be using the standard of the laptop-maker who contracted for the panel, they might be using a custom layout to match a cable for a particular implementation (small notebook hinge, etc) ... and/or you might be missing a separate, tiny interface board.  (Search eBay for 'laptop LVDS board' or similar, and you'll see some of the external circuitry used to bridge from the panel to whatever the heck the standard interface is on a GeForce2Go/mobile Radeon).  Again, those may/may not use custom connectors or pinouts themselves, depending on the application.

Now, if you live in Korea, it seems like you can call up a few distributors and get, say, a shiny XGA Samsung panel, and all necessary interface hardware and cables, for less than a packaged desktop monitor.  In the US and elsewhere, it's more that the *aftermarket* guys (rather than the panel manufacturers) have a Good Ol' Boys club going- why sell to hobbyists at cut-rates, when you can make $300+/controller off the embedded and videowall market?

I imagine the situation will begin to improve in the next 12 months, as more tech 'leaks' out of the Asian market, and the Slashdot/Ov4rcl0ck4r scene picks up on it.  Searching sites like Alibaba turn up Chinese and Taiwanese manufacturers with interfaces ready to go... the state of documentation and panel support would likely be poor right now, but all it takes is one Thermaltake/Eyetech/Individual Computers/Genesi to pick up the tech and turn it into something ready for the advanced consumer, with premade cables and panel-compatibility lists.  (Of course, they could build their own designs based on, say, Silicon Image?'s chipsets, but the costs of tooling up for such probably puts them in as bad a spot as EarthLCD and the like.  The boards from the asian manufacturers nobody's heard of are no-doubt going into the cheap packaged panels now on sale everywhere.)

Anyhow, point is that, with the spec-sheets and a good chunk of electronics knowledge, it probably wouldn't be *too* difficult to build your own panel interface that'd work with a fair chunk of modern LCDs... but you'd still have to source the connectors and cables, *and* probably deal with at least one surface-mount or BGA chip that might cost upwards of $30 for a single unit.  Not much of a DIY project for those without a PCB miller and a high tolerance for frustration.

 

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Re: CD32 Laptop
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2003, 12:26:22 AM »
Seek and ye shall find:

http://www.lcdspecifications.com/

Pinouts and interface diagrams for a number of laptop LCD panels.

Most use a Low Voltage Differential Signalling (LVDS) interface. There are ways of converting from PAL/NTSC/VGA to LVDS, I have the details at work.

I did find LCD panels that took either VGA or PAL/NTSC inputs but the cheapest was $199.

I will gather some information from work and post again tomorrow.

Ian
 

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Re: CD32 Laptop
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2003, 05:46:58 AM »
As far as OS3.9 goes, it should run just fine on a cd32+sx1 with 4meg fastmem.  You can max it out at 8meg, but if you want more, you'll need the SX32 (upgradable to 64meg fast I think), which is sold by Eyetech and people on Ebay for ridiculous prices.  There is a lot of great info at http://cd32.amiga32.com/
 

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Re: CD32 Laptop
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2003, 02:55:33 PM »
Wow!  Thanks everyone!  Lots of stuff to keep me going there!

I like the idea of the PS-One Screen, that might just work (and make my life o-so simpler).  Will solve the problem of having a 640x512 screen on a 800x600 dispaly.  Even with overscan there would be some big borders.  However whats the resolution of the PS-One display like?

(And interesting side note can Scan Dblers/Flicker Fixers display good overscan?  Which would you recomend?  I presume the internal ones wouldn't work on the CD32!  (I'll cheak the locations of the chips).

Finally just to finish that Amiga feel can you connect an A600 Keyboard to the CD-32.

This is sounding better all the time!  
 

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Re: CD32 Laptop
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2003, 04:01:56 PM »
Why is nothing ever simple!

Although I haven't had time to read this properly I found a website with details about hooking up a PSOne Display.

For those who are ( still ! ) interested,
PSOne LCD (PAL Composite Signal) Project

Still don't know what sort of resolution you can drive this at.  Don't know if I could go back to 320*256(/240/200) after all this time.  What was the resolution of the playsatan?

Still might have to give all this a go.  If I could get the whole system running from a battery for half and hour or so, I'll be happy. :-D
 

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Re: CD32 Laptop
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2003, 11:11:45 PM »
To ACE:

I doubt you will need all the circuitry on the PSOne LCD page. For that application he had to take a composite video signal and create 2 sync signals and RGB colour information. The Amiga has 3 video sync signals (CSync, HSynv and VSync) + Anaglog RGB and Digital RGB data all on the 23 pin video port.

Maybe I missed the pinout but you should be able to hook a PSOne LCD stright upto the Amiga with no interface PCB.
I just checked the PSX video connector it has SVHS (not relevant here) and Component video, (Csync + RGB) all of this is on the RGB port.

If the display handles DVD fine, that is 728x576 pixels then most Amiga displays wil work fine.

Currently my A1200 is driving a Samsung SyncMaster 171S 17" LCD monitor quite nicely. It is capable of displaing 1280x1024 but as I have AGA, the highest mode I use is something like 728x536, in this mode the monitor stretches the pixels to fill the screen, there are no borders.

Good luck with the project.