Look forward to any new Amy news

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Hyperion site still down (WIP?), Troika website being updated*, supposedly Amy'05's appearing next Big Bash, perhaps a Amy / OS4 release Q4, this year this time?

The spec was a little disappointing a year ago. With Intel dual-cores starting at £70 and affordable quad-cores and DDR3 available a year away (bah!), how easy / difficult would it be for the designers to bung in a faster G3 or G4. Still no comparision but it would be nice if it came close to PPC Mac Mini speeds.

I'm not trying to have a dig at anybody, but as the years go by a 600MHz G3 was ok'ish in 2003 but 2007 it's worringly dated. I could settle for it but in that case I would feel a lot better if it was "a lot" cheaper than £400.

*site may have not have had any life for months

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The other problem with a G3 is that it is getting to the stage when it would be cheaper and faster for some x86 hardware to emulate it faster. As a last resort, if no hardware appears would a Virtual A1 / UAE Cyberstorm edition be useful to keep the scene going?

[motorollin]

Reactioned wrote:
Hyperion site still down (WIP?), Troika website being updated*, supposedly Amy'05's appearing next Big Bash, perhaps a Amy / OS4 release Q4, this year this time?

Who knows...

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The spec was a little disappointing a year ago. With Intel dual-cores starting at £70 and affordable quad-cores and DDR3 available a year away (bah!), how easy / difficult would it be for the designers to bung in a faster G3 or G4. Still no comparision but it would be nice if it came close to PPC Mac Mini speeds.

CPU clock speed isn't the only consideration. If the OS is kept small and efficient like AmigaOS then there's no reason it can't still perform well on a G3 machine. I do agree though that a G4 or G5 would be much more attractive anyway.

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The other problem with a G3 is that it is getting to the stage when it would be cheaper and faster for some x86 hardware to emulate it faster. As a last resort, if no hardware appears would a Virtual A1 / UAE Cyberstorm edition be useful to keep the scene going?

Unfortunately, Hyperion are restricted by their license agreement and can only allow OS4 to run on AmigaOne hardware. Until this restriction is lifted/modified, the only way to (legally) run OS4 is on an A1. OS4 on a Mac Mini would be wicked - but it's just not going to happen at the moment.

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moto

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Unfortunately, Hyperion are restricted by their license agreement and can only allow OS4 to run on AmigaOne hardware. Until this restriction is lifted/modified, the only way to (legally) run OS4 is on an A1.

To me the troika board is the last hope of seeing OS4 released in desktop form. Hopefully the license is being negotaited as running only on A1's is a dead end.

[Legerdemain]

Unfortunately, Hyperion are restricted by their license agreement and can only allow OS4 to run on AmigaOne hardware. Until this restriction is lifted/modified, the only way to (legally) run OS4 is on an A1. OS4 on a Mac Mini would be wicked - but it's just not going to happen at the moment.

This is only true in countries where such laws applies, though. If OS4 will be commercially available with an EULA stating it not to be run on anything but the A1 hardware, you don't really have to obey this EULA in your home unless the specific laws of the country tells you to. In other words, if there would be a way to 'modify' OS4 to run on your Pegasos, your Macintosh or whatever PPC hardwere... it doesn't necessarily have to be illegal to do it.

Modifying your legally obtained OSX to run on your ordinary X86, for example, may be perfectly legal, depending on where you live. Just like using OSX under emulation. Or whatever.

But I have no clue whatsoever what laws apply in which countries...

The sad thing, though, is how restriced Hyperion, the developers of the OS, is... due to the idiotic license (sorry, but I really think it is an idiotic license). Not that I can say that Hyperion feels ready to release OS4 commercially as of today...  but when they do, it is really a shame that they can't (if they can't, because, in all honesty I don't know what the license says).

To sum it all up: if the license says that Hyperion isn't allowed to release the OS to be run on other hardware than the A1, well, then they can't release it to other hardware legally (obviously), but as an end user; RUNNING the OS on other hardware does NOT necessarily have to be illegal.

Oh.

Well.

Boring story, in whatever case. I'm pretty calm, not bothering about it at all, at the moment. Thankfully. If/when it will be released... well, that is another story.

Oh, and I have to add... what happened with Troika's promise of more regular updates on what's going on?

[motorollin]

Legerdemain wrote:

...the only way to (legally) run OS4 is on an A1...

This is only true in countries where such laws applies, though. If OS4 will be commercially available with an EULA stating it not to be run on anything but the A1 hardware, you don't really have to obey this EULA in your home unless the specific laws of the country tells you to. In other words, if there would be a way to 'modify' OS4 to run on your Pegasos, your Macintosh or whatever PPC hardwere... it doesn't necessarily have to be illegal to do it.

Maybe so, but if Hyperion are only allowed to distribute it with an A1, then the only way to get hold of the OS legally is to buy an A1.

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Oh, and I have to add... what happened with Troika's promise of more regular updates on what's going on?

I'm not convinced we will ever see any products from Troika or "Amiga". So I'm saving up for a PegII instead  :-D  It may not be called an Amiga in brand, but it is more Amiga in spirit than the A1.

Anyway, we're  :horse:
:-)

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Maybe so, but if Hyperion are only allowed to distribute it with an A1, then the only way to get hold of the OS legally is to buy an A1.

If the license they have aquired says so, well, then there will be a problem, yes.

[pierre]

yawn.... go onto amigaworld and ask there they have a derect link to hyperion!
 :horse:  :devildance:  :ponder:  :headwall:  :headwall:  :headwall:  :flame:

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yawn!

rasp!

go onto amigaworld and ask there they have a derect link to hyperion!

I don't want to upset Rogue again! (He's highly strung!)

Out of interest, is this site pro blue, or a bit burgandy (neutral)?

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I'm not convinced we will ever see any products from Troika or "Amiga". So I'm saving up for a PegII instead  It may not be called an Amiga in brand, but it is more Amiga in spirit than the A1.

I like Peg's! The blues always seem to have the best hardware, but I'm a red at heart. I hope this feud ends and OS4 runs on them, especially if you are right.

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Who cares about "blue" and "red". At the end of the day, "Amiga" have done nothing IMO for the Amiga community. The true meaning of Amiga has come to mean the community which support it, not some deaf and dumb company which gives nothing to the platform's loyal users.

MorphOS was borne of the Amiga community. It is a labour of love by people who are passionate about the Amiga platform. My opinion is that this makes it more Amiga than the "Amiga"One. That's why as soon as I can afford it I'll be getting a PegII :-)

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moto

[pierre]

somehow I want a peg also... wired I can feel it happening... no idea why.  If anybody makes any sense they will get os4 on there.... then we need to get on intel/amd and fast !  Can this even be discussed on amigaworld
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god speed

[cecilia]

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To me the troika board is the last hope of seeing OS4 released in desktop form. Hopefully the license is being negotaited as running only on A1's is a dead end.

oh, please. don't bank all your hopes on any one company or person.

I like Peg's! The blues always seem to have the best hardware, but I'm a red at heart. I hope this feud ends and OS4 runs on them, especially if you are right.

there is no "feud". all that ended some time ago. this site is all about AMIGA. in all it's flavors.

I have a peg, and I've seen the latest OS4 on an A1. both run just fine. both feel very "amiga". MOS and OS4 have been worked on for quite some time by talented, hardworking Amiga programmers.
use whatever flavor amiga suits your needs.