AmigaOne boards - I hear rumblings, can anyone confirm

[cecilia]

pierre wrote:
sure they are both cool.  I have never seen os4.0 and to me morphOS looks cooler.

I have a peg and I have seen OS4 running on an AmigaOne. I have used an Amithlon. I have played around with AROS and, of course I use WinUAE regularly.

they are all various flavors of the AmigaOS we all love.

OS4 is 99.99999% "finished". I've seen it at amiga meetings and the improvements over the years have just made it faster and more stable. It's basically finished in everything but name and that is only because of the lack-of-hardware situation.
And OS4 continues to be developed. you can't blame the lack of HW on the software developers (and betatesters) who have worked very hard on OS4. That's two different sets of people.

[sdyates]

Thanks for all your comments -- this post has helped me understand the different options for running Amiga software than on my A3000s.

For me, a lot of what I like about the amigas is their ability to be very efficient in much the same way as Freebsd is efficient. I also like the gui that amiga provides, which FreeBSD and linux do not rpovide me.

I don't know what to get next and am still thinking. The underlying hardware is not as important to me as the classic is no longer being produced, logic has me realise that my A3000 wont last forever. So, I need new hardware because the price of adding to my A3000 is quite considerable.

Yes, intel is not great, but with the processing power, bus width changes and other technologies, it is much faster -- the problem today with microsft, while they have made great strides, is far too slow and heavy: it still can't properly do the following functions:

1) process swtich between hihg load and light load processes: unix has perfected this over the past 40 years.

2) Paging to disk is so poorly handled that the whole system becomes sluggish.

For these two reason, I am looking for an alternative. Amiga still is a logical step for me, what I need isa platform I can use. Morph OS sounds good as does Aros, but my systems are intel now

I guess I am still looking for a perfect solution.

[Gojirax]

Thank you AmigaSoft (Name changed to protect the innocent.). I agree with you 1000%...

I appreciate that you felt the compulsion to defend AmigaOS4, even if you took a verbal reprimand for it.

I look forward to OS4 and will keep waiting patiently.

[redrumloa]

benJamin wrote:
@redrumloa
You'd suppose that OS4 was going to be the money-spinner?  :roll:

Are you pulling my leg or is this a serious question? I'm guessing you are just having a laugh :-?

[pierre]

@dan06
read my posts again your not understanding.  Ifcourse I have seen and read about this OS4, just never seen it in PERSON, have you?  
They COULD both be cool... (if os4 releases!)  morphOS is already done and for sale, os04 as been anounced for 5 years and is not available, sorry that I lost faith! Its just that I doubt it will see the light of day...and given that morphOS is already done I realy don't understand why we developing another OS of the ppc rather than movign forward from morphOS at this point!(there is sarcasem mixed in there also).  There are other reasons that make my like morphOS better...but I won't waist my time attempting to explain that to you at this point.
Yep I the "classic" amiga line is dead, just like the deamcast is dead, if we are lucky we will see some more hobbiest amiga(ish) system released in very small numbers, life support? maybe....:horse:  Don't be mad at me be mad at commodore!
@bOOtdisk
yes I am retarded... thanks for bringing that up!  :lol:
Don't be mean.. sorry you don't get my point.  
@AmigaSoft
Welcome to amiga.org, this place is great!  You may want to take a sceond and introduce your self to us in the welcome section.  It would be nice to know a bit about you.  
I can't wait for you to prove me wrong, that would actualy make me happy.  Until then what are you going to do? Maybe give us some actual information about OS4 and when it will be realeased? (why is better than morpgOS...anything!) I hope it(os4) won't censore me are you attempting to do! :-D   It's not your fault Hyperion has made false staments and discredited itself.... I understand that.  

[sdyates]

@pierre

Fell free to justify why you think Morphos is better. I'd love to see benchmarks results, but realise these are unlikely to come forth. These discussions are helping me understand which is the best technology in light that there are no longer publications like Amigaworld around to help us.

@all
I also welcome thoughts on why OS4 is better. I happen to think that memory protection is essential, even if some applications will not run. Why not have a NoMemProtect... we did afterall have a noFastMem utility?

[SamuraiCrow]

@sdyates

Just for a brief rundown of why full memory protection should not be fully implemented on AmigaOS for a long time:  Amiga libraries use shared memory to save RAM.  This means that any application can read from these areas of memory although under AmigaOS 4 the memory occupied by the code cannot be written to.

MorphOS has a different solution to memory protection:  It implements compatability in a sandbox called ABox and (as of the not-yet-released version 1.5) QBox which will support full memory protection.  Since this version isn't released I cannot comment on its effectiveness.

The main reason Windows is so slow is becuase its memory protection requires .DLL files to be in the same page-space as the application that uses them.  It cannot implement shared memory as a result and ends up paging out and in incessantly.  Also, it doesn't help that the page size on Windows defaults to 4k for each page while AmigaOS 4 uses 64k page size.  This means that the page-file (index) is huge because of all the pages it has to keep track of on Windows while AOS 4 has a relatively small page-file.

MacOSX and the Posix OSs have similar problems with paging and lack of shared memory due to the memory protection scheme.

If you view full memory protection as a must, then stick to your BSD/Mac/Windows/Linux box becuase AmigaOS isn't for you.

[pierre]

@sdyates
how could I give you benchmarkes I don't have an amigaONE or a morphOS box? I have made that clear I thought.
On a constructive note, I don't think amiga is the next logical step, I think Linux is.  It runs on intel/ppc/arm etc..
If you insist on amiga(ish) platform, morphOS does what you want, it's the ONLY option as os4/amigaONE is not available.  Why would you have faith in something that is 5-6 year LATE!  os4 will be running on out of date hardware if it ever released! What kind of bench mark where you expecting? Anybody who does not want to use microsoft should be considering linux, like I said before it not realy posible for these small closed source developer teams to compete with linux.  I guess my question would be, what's worng with linux?  It's a viable OS?  BTW you can make you linux feel much like an amiga... I think amigaOS was actualy styled off UNIX when it was origionaly designed.  IMO linux is way better than morphOS or os4.

[Argo]

This topic is locked due to running OFF-Topic and being a rabling mess.
The topic was about new AmigaOne or new boards able to run OS 4.0 and asking for any substantiation of the rumor.