amigaone cpu ??

[ksk]

Kronos wrote:
The MOS-JIT (Trance) is only available for Betatester_1-owners,
us mortal BT2s have to live with the static for the time being.
...

So the JIT still is just another marketing stunt.
"68K JIT compiler runs applications at up to 75% of native PPC speed"

WHEN is peg1&MOS going to deliver the features described (since many months) @ www.pegasosppc.com, Vesalia, etc...

[Hammer]

DethKnight wrote:
remember the A.C.E consortium

also frontside bus increases are nowhere near as useful on G4/G3 as they are on 970 (according to deep document delving/reading at arstechnica.com)

G4/G3’s interface to the outside world is not aware of DDR type technologies….

133Mhz/166Mhz x 64bit (PPC’s FSB) can’t maximize the use of 266Mhz (effective) x 64 bit Memory bandwidth (PC2100).  

IF one could multiply unlock the G3 processor and over clock FSB’s to 200Mhz, one could effectively use some of PC2100’s bandwidth.

[Hammer]

Have you looked at the Opteron yet?

What about it?

A dual Opteron 1.4GHz vs a single 800 Mhz G4 A1(Debian Linux) Comparing a 64bit system to 32bit system???

The problem with X86 market there’s always a price point for delivering a solution.

One may have to wait for SIS, VIA and nVidia based solutions. I don’t have faith on Newsys in regards to making the market as a commodity. (What do you expect from ex-IBM engineers).

Lets see Newsys survives the Taiwanese/nVidia assault…  

Trouble is, Debian doesn't have an x86-64 branch ready yet...

What about Debian Linux X86-32, SuSE AMD64, Windows 2003 Server X86-32 (includes PSE 36bit support)?

Building an Opteron system from pricewatch.com
(in USD).
CPU: $ 299  Opteron @ 1.4Ghz (OEM).
Motherboard: $ 525, MSI K8DMaster-F (AMD built chipset).
Total:  $824 USD OR ~$1,276.02 AUD.

(I'll find cheap K8 Taiwanese brand later )

Do you know a pricewatch like website for PPC?

From http://www.vesalia.de/?V02b0f1553554e12795d59545208514e01101f0954414752050140090a1e31115479633a223c6373744e03263f2a2a7661053964606222687c2e3475551a71297b0d6e5a45500b6e4

G4 7451@800MHz AmigaOne-XE (includes AOS4(when it's completed), Debian Linux).
Total: $937.27 USD

I'll look for better G4 7451@800MHz AmigaOne-XE. package.

I wonder IF Amiga.org can host pricewatch.com like website for PPC market.

From http://www.eyetech.co.uk/search.php?SearchStr=&SearchCat=AMA1
(Any shopping features like Dell.com (sigh))
Total:
500 UKP(minus VAT) for AmigaOne-XE m/b w/ G4 7451@800MHz cpu.
Via http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi

Total:
$803.408 USD (with no VAT) OR $1,243.99 AUD
$944.062 USD (with VAT) OR $1,461.87 AUD

Once SIS, VIA( and nVidia enters the Opteron market those AMD K8 chipsets would be expensive by comparison. Aggressive competition should lower down the prices.

[olegil]

You forgot to add the second CPU. Not much point buy a dual CPU card and no CPUs. And the memory is more expensive. All in all, the Opteron is a faster and more expensive system. But it's a lot more bang for the buck.

And I was not comparing them, I just said the Opteron would be more expensive. I know for a fact which one would be most fun to me with AmigaOS, and it's not the Opteron. I just asked if you had actually TRIED one, not just talk about it. Like sex, you know. Those who talk most about it seldom get any ;-)

I know for a fact that some Cray machines are REALLY fast, but that doesn't mean I have to own one. It's more expensive, so I might not afford it ;-)

And making a pricewatch that compares Eyetech and Vesalia prices wouldn't excactly be any point since Vesalia buys the boards from Eyetech. You're not gonna see extreme differences unless Vesalia goes down and needs to recoup their losses or something :-P

[ksk]

Slightly relevant to the topic: New PPC CPUs from IBM (the register).

Gobi (PPC750GX):  beyond 1GHz & 1MB L2 (available @~Q3)

Mojave (PPC750VX): ~ 1.5GHz & Altivec & SMP ...
 (available in y2004)

[mikeymike]

@ jeffimix

I skimmed this last page but... PPC is just fine, so what if it costs a bit more(several hndred bucks), computers aren't something normal people buy a lot of. Besides if sheeple can be made to buy Windows instead of getting Linux for much less, who says we can't get away with larger prices?

Almost a fair point, but for one big problem.  Microsoft have such a strangle-hold on OEMs still that PCs *must* have Windows installed on them.  If OEMs want to ship Windows or any MS software at all, then they face this problem.

[mikeymike]

@ Hammer

Just get Windows 3.11 installation, which fits in a single floppy and install on the hard disk.

Last I checked, Win311 install takes more than one disk.  I think 6 or 8, but I'd have to dig out my install disks from *somewhere* in the house :-)

Windows 3.0 comes on 12 720k floppies!

[mikeymike]

Gawd, and Win311 comes on high density floppy disks.  I'm looking at them right now, 8 of them!  Microsoft written along the top in grey, Microsoft Windows for Workgroups written down the left side, copyright 1985 - 1993 Microsoft Corporation, All Your Rights Are Belong To Us written at the bottom!

(well, maybe I lied about the last bit)

The Windows 3.0 disks I scabbed from work years ago are white with a pretty blue label. :-)

[Agafaster]

mdma wrote:
The Windows 3.0 disks I scabbed from work years ago are white with a pretty blue label. :-)

...and thats about the best bit !!  :-D

(Windows for Playgroups wasnt much of an improvement either...)