Payback white screen

[motorollin]

Thanks Nasty, MedConfig fixed it. I just told it what hardware I'm using then accepted their recommended settings, and the game now displays. Unforunately the performance is crap. The game itself runs at (literally) one frame per second. This happens even in the lowest res hardware accelerated screenmode available :-( Any idea why it's so slow?

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moto

[nasty]

can you turn hardware acceleration off?

[motorollin]

I've just tried that, and performace was *much* better. Even so, the game was only playable at 320x240. Presumably this is because performance is limited by my 040?

I don't understand why the hardware accelerated screenmodes perform so poorly. I thought Payback supported hardware accelerated graphics cards?

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moto

[CLS2086]

Hi,
you need at least a 060/50 to get a nice working game in "Medium RES", whatever if you are in AGA or CGX.
To get better result you'll need a least CGX v4, PPC@210 and a GREX+Voodoo3 or a BVision on PPC bus.
Update your Picasso "system" too !

[motorollin]

CLS2086 wrote:
Hi,
you need at least a 060/50 to get a nice working game in "Medium RES", whatever if you are in AGA or CGX.

That sucks :-( Makes me wonder why I bothered with the Voodoo :roll:

Thanks for clearing it up for me anyway.

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moto

[Karlos]

motorollin wrote:

CLS2086 wrote:
Hi,
you need at least a 060/50 to get a nice working game in "Medium RES", whatever if you are in AGA or CGX.

That sucks :-( Makes me wonder why I bothered with the Voodoo :roll:

Thanks for clearing it up for me anyway.

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moto

OpenGL (or whatever 3D transformation and lighting engine was used) :-/ There's a huge chunk of software processing between the game and warp3d, rotating, clipping, lighting etc. You simply can't expect the 68K to set up triangles that fast. All the voodoo does in this case is to speed up the rasterization of triangles that were calculated and processed by the CPU.

[motorollin]

Anyone want to donate an 060?

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moto

[lorddef]

I've got an 060/50 128Mb ram and a voodoo3, but payback has always performed {bleep}.

Basically if I use software rendering its reasonably fast, as soon as I enable hardware rendering it goes really really jerky.

Anyone got any ideas?

[Karlos]

There are a lot of things that can slow down when hardware acceleration is enabled (ironic as that sounds).

There are certain rules to using HW acceleration. You need to lock the hardware for as short as possible but also as infrequently as possible (as the lock incurs an overhead). It can be tricky to get an ideal balance so it is common for people to just lock the hardware for a whole frame and only unlock it to refresh the display. Due to this, user settings can also influence things too, when the hardware is locked, multitasking and interrupts may also be disabled on some configurations. This can really chew the system up.

A utility called WarpPrefs allows you to easily access all of the relevant envarc settings.

[CLS2086]

Anyone want to donate an 060?

Good luck, its value is around 160/200 Euros on ebay, and if there is a PPC on the card : 200/350 Euros...

[lorddef]

Cheers Karlos, I'll take a look at warp prefs, although I have tried a lot of different settings already.

[nasty]

I'll give you ,my nice 060/240 if you go around and beat the crap out of the nvidia useless support people.


"Nvidia, the way it's meant to be played! but probably wont, since we cant make drivers that support our overpriced piece of crap cards!"

[motorollin]

nasty wrote:
I'll give you ,my nice 060/240 if you go around and beat the crap out of the nvidia useless support people.

Will do  :-P

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moto

[kas1e]

btw, i do not have full payback cd, but i played demo of payback over ppc and hardware acceleration, and it is pretty fast (for amiga pretty fast ). config; voodoo3/a1200/060+ppcx266, etc.

i think best way to check fisrt warp3d installation, warp3d tests like gears run fast ? it must give over 27-30 fps on voodoo3. (try it run in console)