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Got my PPC now what?
« on: February 04, 2006, 06:13:14 PM »
Hi -

I just got my Amita 1200T with Blizzard 060/60 603e 166MHz.
It boots into OS3.9 quite nicely !  The tower has a CD and CD Burner, two HDs, BVision card / SCSI / flickerfixer and Hypercom fast serial card (on clock port).  Such a deal at $475 US ! Even with $100 shipping I think I made out like a bandit !

ANYWAY . . . .

I am wondering how to get WarpOS or MorphOS going on the system. When I hold the ESC key during boot I get the PPC boot menu.  Then what?  I'm not sure if the old owner of the system ever installed the PPC operating systems.  Anyway what do I pick from this boot menu?  If I have to load the PPC OS how do I do that?  I downloaded MorphOS lite from the web and I guess that WarpOS is on my Haage-and-Partner OS3.9 disk.  Anyway I'm stuck here . . . what to do next?  Any spiffy web pages with details?

Amiga 4000D/040 Warp Engine/SCSI-CD/Cybergraphic64/X-Surf
Amiga 1200T 060/60 PPC603e BVision and more
Amiga 1200 nice white case GVP1230/1291SCSI
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Re: Got my PPC now what?
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2006, 06:47:41 PM »
WarpOS isn't an OS in it's own right - it's an extension to OS3.x to run Power PC Applications.  Assuming the previous owner had everything already installed then you can just boot your machine into Workbench as normal and try to run a PowerPC application such as the Voxelspace demo.  If it runs then you know it's all installed OK.

If not then just install WarpOS from the OS3.9 CD using the installer.  It will ask you to select what type of PPC card you have and then install itself automatically.

For MorphOS there is a guide to installing (you can either install it to HD or run it from CD) at the MorphOS for PowerUP home page.
 

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Re: Got my PPC now what?
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2006, 06:53:31 PM »
This thread has various links of where to download the latest WarpOS releases and the likes.

It's probably a good idea to use Frank Willie's PowerUp emulation libraries to save you from having to swap between PPC OSes all the time.

I've listed all the versions and names of the various libraries involved.

The thread is about installing a Blizzard Vision card, but ignore those bits, you only need the PPC OS relevant bits.


Gosh, I remember having such a fantastic time installing the CyberGraphX software.  It wasn't at all confusing, the documentation was truly outstanding, the install scripts were flawless and everything worked brilliantly first time.
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Re: Got my PPC now what?
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2006, 07:25:55 PM »
The question that has been puzling me is this: if Phase5 made the PowerPC cards and software to control them (PowerUP) then why did some 3rd party group make another program to control the PPC (WarpOS)?

From what I remember, Phase5 weren't too happy about this - even going as far as to add rants in the PPC's ROM!
 

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Re: Got my PPC now what?
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2006, 08:31:14 PM »
 Since you have BVision, you also need Warp3D which you will find on Aminet. As for the boot menu, select 60ns ram settings, to get the best ROM access speed possible. ( You need to have 60ns SIMMs for this) If you notice that this makes your system unstable, configure manualy each individual setting until it becomes stable.
 Don't select the ROM remmaping option, otherwise you won't be able to run MorphOS. Use Blizkick to map the ROM to ram when you are running AmigaOS. It's a good utility.
 Also, search Aminet for WarpOS datatypes and install them.
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Re: Got my PPC now what?
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2006, 09:13:16 PM »
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if Phase5 made the PowerPC cards and software to control them (PowerUP) then why did some 3rd party group make another program to control the PPC (WarpOS)?

H&P (incl Sam Jordan, Steffen Haeuser et all) got some PPC developer boards for preparing the first PPC software for the new PowerUP hardware, using the PowerUP (ppc.library) system software.

The early PowerUP beta software had some performance issues, which naturally were later ironed out. PowerUP relied much on the existing, industry standard file formats, compilers and tools (ELF, gcc, binutils, ixemul and GeekGadgets etc).

For some reason instead of waiting for the fix, Haage & Partner felt necessary to disassemble and reverse-engineer the PowerUP solution and replace it with their own. By doing this they thought they would fix the performance and other issues. Another motivation behind all this was the feeling of un-amigaism they felt against the tools (gcc) and file formats (ELF) used in PowerUP. Any further motives are everyone's best guess.

Some of the arguments are well visible in the WOS announcement and other posts made by the WOS advocates.

However, they were gravely mistaken. The problems were NOT in software, but hardware (dual processor system without cache snooping requires full cacheflushes when swapping cpus. This can't be fixed with software, and WOS has exact the same performance issues as PUP. Only if the 68K cpu is completely disabled the HW can run full speed). The in-their-mind un-amigaish file formats and tools were actually the future (they're used in MorphOS and AmigaOS4!).

Regardless they managed to push their own agenda and system further, and basically replacing PUP pretty much (mainly because many games and software titles were released for WOS).

Many old-guard hardcore developers tried to point out that what they were doing was rather stupid and pointless, and that their arguments about GCC and ELF ("ELF is a monster !!!") being un-amiga and slow were just plain wrong. Backing their custom solutions, custom compiler (StormC 3 was really crappy) and other tools proved to be a mistake. Later StormC 4.x was based on GCC. AmigaOS would embrace and adopt ELF for executable file format. WOS would prove nearly impossible to support/emulate properly in the next gen systems (which WOS was claimed to be!), mainly due to some very low level hw access WOS revealed to user programs.

Many of the trenches that were laid back then are very much there still; much of the developers that felt PUP was the way were or are involved in development of MorphOS, while many of the WOS advocates are backing OS4. This doesn't apply to everyone naturally, but the ideological division between the groups is eerily similar.

PS. I was/am PUP/MorphOS guy, so I surely am biased. I am sure others will provide alternative views.
 

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Re: Got my PPC now what?
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2006, 11:19:12 PM »
So MorphOS is an operating system of it's own right, that will run on PowerPC accelerators AND the Pegasos machine?

What's so good about it!? I know TurboPrint was supposed to be moving exclusive to MorphOS, has it come out yet?
 

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Re: Got my PPC now what?
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2006, 11:55:25 PM »
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So MorphOS is an operating system of it's own right, that will run on PowerPC accelerators AND the Pegasos machine?

Correct.

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What's so good about it!?

PPC native, runs most old os friendly 68k, PUP, WOS apps aswell as the new MOS apps. MorphOS is solid design. It's fast. MorphOS has nice 3D drivers. You can actually buy Pegasos hardware to run MorphOS. MorphOS for PowerUP is available for free.

Read these to get better understanding what MorphOS is:
- An Introduction to MorphOS
- The Pegasos Book

You can also visit MorphZone and #morphos on freenode irc network.

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I know TurboPrint was supposed to be moving exclusive to MorphOS, has it come out yet?

TP is part of MorphOS.

I don't know about "exclusivety" though.
 

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Re: Got my PPC now what?
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2006, 12:06:47 AM »
PowerPC native, that sounds good.

So if you had an AmigaOne would you be able to run MorphOS, or at least the old PPC version? It would be nice to have a PPC native version of TurboPrint!

Any MorphOS users who know what drivers the new TurboPrint has? That package is worth it's weight in gold.
 

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Re: Got my PPC now what?
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2006, 12:18:29 AM »
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So if you had an AmigaOne would you be able to run MorphOS, or at least the old PPC version?

No. AmigaOne runs AmigaOS4, not MorphOS.
 

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Re: Got my PPC now what?
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2006, 01:18:46 AM »
Oh yeah I forgot there was that damn chip in there checking for something. There was an argument on another thread about it.

:-D

Hang about though, if PPC MorphOS won't run, then how does PPC Linux run!?

And if AmigaOne can run 68k software, can it run PPC software like WipeOut 2097/Fusion PPC?

Interesting to see a 1:1 efficient G3/G4 Mac emulator!

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Re: Got my PPC now what?
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2006, 01:24:11 AM »
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Oh yeah I forgot there was that damn chip in there checking for something. There was an argument on another thread about it.

:-D

Hang about though, if PPC MorphOS won't run, then how does PPC Linux run!?


It's to do with the BIOS chip on the A1, Eyetech used UBoot, whereas Pegasos and Macs (and a few other machines) use Open Firmware.

The MOS team could quite easily write a version of MOS that Boots via Uboot (just as the LinuxPPC people have)... but why should they bother? :-)

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Re: Got my PPC now what?
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2006, 02:22:57 AM »
@Hyperspeed

You can run PPC Linux on PowerUp cards too.

Within current AmigaOS APIs we dont see fast G3/G4 Mac emulators on Amiga...
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