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Re: Buffered IDE interface
« Reply #14 from previous page: December 12, 2005, 11:57:11 AM »
@keropi

So you used IDEFix software even when the interface wasn't installed?

It's funny if you get different speed, as the buffering has nothing to do with data transfer...
 

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Re: Buffered IDE interface
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2005, 12:00:58 PM »
I'm not convinced about this "my hard drive and cd-rom blew up my motherboard" thing. Sounds like a scare story invented to sell buffered interfaces  :lol: Has anyone here ever actually experienced problems with their IDE interface with two devices connected directly to it?

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Re: Buffered IDE interface
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2005, 12:08:53 PM »
@motorollin

No problems whatsoever.

I even built my own IDEFix hardware for 4 devices, without any buffering. Worked just fine for years, until I retired the system.
 

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Re: Buffered IDE interface
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2005, 12:12:29 PM »
@Piru

mhhh . . just noticed that keropi own a VOB 4Way adapter.

I have no direct experience about those strange/rare adapter. (theres a special setting in IDEFix).

Could it be "really" buffered? (intended with a real small buffer memory chip)

The difference in his benchmarks is huge.

 

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Re: Buffered IDE interface
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2005, 12:28:45 PM »
If there's no significant performance boost, then I'm gonna take my chances ;-)

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Re: Buffered IDE interface
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2005, 12:33:17 PM »
http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=828=10

erm . . "looking" at the picture, seems a TTL IC.

Keropi . . . whats on the chip? serial-code etc?

 

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Re: Buffered IDE interface
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2005, 01:26:56 PM »
Four connectors?  :-?

1*44pin
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7 devices???!!!

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Re: Buffered IDE interface
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2005, 04:30:48 PM »
Ok, to clear things up, I did the test this way:
1st test: os3.9 BB2 WITHOUT adapter or idefix 97 installed
2nd test: adapter + idefix installed + setting on idefix

it did made a huge difference, it was noticable!

here are some photos I posted back then, but they are blury (taken with a nokia 6600)
I don't have this now, I sold it!
 

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Re: Buffered IDE interface
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2005, 04:42:34 PM »
On replacing floppy cables with round ones... they can be used, but not without adjustment.

I recently replaced the IDE and floppy cables in my A4000 with round ones.  I encountered two problems.

One, the IDE cable had a key pin, so it would not plug onto the motherboard.  After researching the pinout, and making absolutely sure that I had the cable in the correct orientation, I decided to gently break the interfering pin off.

Then I realized that the cable had a confusing indicator for pin 1 and I had the cable reversed, and had actually broken off the wrong pin!  Fortunately, that pin was just a ground (whew!).  So I reversed the cable and broke off the correct pin.  Then it plugs on and everything is working fine.

Just a note... after you double check that you have the cable in the correct orientation... tripple check, count pins, think about it, then check it again. :-)

As for the floppy cable, I bought an 18" round single floppy cable (for PC).  This didn't work since the cable has pins swapped.  So I carefully dismantled the connector on one end of the cable, and put the wires back in the "right" spots so it was a straight-through cable.  Then it works fine.

Note that on the PC, to make it so noone would ever have to change a floppy jumper, they have made all PC floppy drives configured as drive 1.  Then they put a flip in the cable so it will make the drive ID 0.  Notice that the second floppy in a PC has no flip in the cable.  I don't know what their plan was if you wanted to use more than 2 floppies. :-)  So a round PC floppy cable would work as-is if you use the "second" drive connector.

I prefer the hack-the-cable method.  Although it is not easy removing the lock/guard on the crimp-on connector without breaking it, it can be done.

-Jeff