Win UAE problem

Hello:
 
        I am currently attempting to network an Amiga 2000HD, c/w a Wildfire 060 card, to a PC using Win UAE, through an
SMC Barricade router. Both machines are able to "ping" each other, but the PC continues to say that it cannot find the TCP IP socket on the Amiga, no matter what.  I have tried both Miami and Miami DX. Any thoughts anyone may have on the matter would be greatly appreciated.
 
        Regards,
 
 
                Wayne Paquinmayaworks@telus.net

[Quixote]

Nineoc noticed:

Both machines are able to "ping" each other, but the PC continues to say that it cannot find the TCP IP socket on the Amiga, no matter what.  I have tried both Miami and Miami DX.

;-) If the machines can ping each other, then the hardware connection is sound, so that’s one hurdle out of the way.  Often, the trouble is in the simple things, because they are the easiest to miss.  Let’s review the obvious:  It is necessary to define IP addresses for each machine, as you probably know.  A host ID file associates computer names with their respective IP addresses.  If you can ping with the IP address, but cannot connect with the name, then this file may be missing, or the networking software may not be able to find the file.

:-? Which networking software are you using on the Amiga, over the TPC connection?  Personally, I connect two Amigas to my PC by running Samba and SMBFS on the Amigas, over a Genesis TCP stack.

;-) Not all networking software supports Dynamic IP address; Static IP addresses may be necessary, though this will require separate, identical, host ID files on each machine.

:-? It may also be a matter relating to “permissions” on the PC.  Which OS are you using on the PC?  Have the files you wish to share had permissions set for “full access?”

:-) Let us know how you’re doing, and we’ll continue to offer suggestions / kibitz / get in the way, alternately.

Thanks for all the prompt replies. I will address them in turn.
1   Yes the IP addressses appear to be correct, and all the files appear to be where they should be.
2   As I mentioned in my notice I have attempted to use both Miami and Miami DX to no avail. I would like to use my emulated PC as backup for the real Amiga.
3   Have tried with both static and dynamic IP.
4   Am not familiar with 'permissions". how and where do I find this section?

     Thanks again for the help. Please let me know if I am replying in the correct manner.

        Regards,

                     Wayne

[Thomas]

As I mentioned in my notice I have attempted to use both Miami and Miami DX to no avail.

This is the TCP/IP layer. The network is up and running, now you need some software to use it.

As already mentioined you can use Samba to show your Amiga's drives in the network and you can use SMBFS or SMB-Connect on the Amiga to use your PC's drives. The PC has such software built in.

Another possibility would be to install a FTP server on one computer and use a FTP client on the other to access files.

Bye,
Thomas

[Quixote]

nineoc noted:

...I have attempted to use both Miami and Miami DX to no avail.

...Am not familiar with 'permissions". how and where do I find this section?

;-) I, too, have tried Miami and Miami Deluxe.  However, I was dissatisfied with the thirty minute time limit, and Holger Kruse –Miami’s author- hasn’t sold keyfiles for years, so my experience is with Genesis, the full version of which is bundled with AmigaOS 3.9.

“Permissions” are properties of files and folders, and even whole drives, on some versions of Windows.  WinNT, for example, is very keen on this.  Right-click your mouse over a file, folder, or drive icon and select “Properties” from the pop-up menu that appears.  Usually, this item is at the bottom of the list of choices.  Next, in the “Properties” window that pops up, click the tab marked “Security.”  If there is no such tab, you’re probably using a version of Windows that doesn’t support permissions.  I seem to recall that Win95, for example, can be set to let any old body use the computer without needing to log in.

If there is a “Security” tab, it will give you the opportunity change, or at least view, “Permissions” and “Ownership” of a file/folder/drive, depending on your access level.  Set it so that the group "Everybody" has permission level "Full Control."

:-? Another question that I’m curious about:  Are you running Samba, or something similar, on your Amiga?  Samba allows your Amiga to offer shared drawers/drives to a Windows Network and have them appear in Windows’ Network Neighborhood environment.  Without something to run on top of your TCP stack, you won’t be able to do much more than ping.

:-? Is the trouble that you cannot browse the Amiga from the PC, vice versa, or both?  Or are you trying to browse the real Amiga directly from the PC’s emulated Amiga?  (Neat trick, if it can be done, but for now maybe we should try something simpler first.)

[alphonsus]

I think the problem is that (AFAIK) the bsdsocket.library emulation is being a one-way connection for the emulation to talk to the internet and network, not for the network to talk to the emulation. I tried setting IP addresses up in the emulation that were different to the PC host address up using Miami and couldn't ping the emulation's address, so I don't think it exists outside of the emulation.

To Thomas:        I'm a bit confused about your suggestion to use Samba, etc. I am attempting to run
Win UAE on my PC, in order to access my Amiga's files on the emulated PC. My understanding is that when the software is in place, I can use Explorer to access the Amiga's files on the emulated PC, without
any other software.
To Quixote:       I have a keyfile for Miami, so that is not an issue for me. I am using Windows 98, and it does not seem to have the 'permissions" feature you mentioned. No, I am not running Samba. as I mentioned to Thomas, my understanding of Explorer
is that it allows me to access the Amiga's files with
a simple click of the mouse. My Tech person has
the software, and it performs fine on his system.
To Alphonsus:    Again, this setup is supposed to
be able to allow the two machines to talk to each other. If what you say is correct, how would I test it to verify your idea?

      Regards to all,

                            wayne

[Sidewinder]

So, if I understand properly you have a PC with AmigaForever and WinUAE connected via ethernet to a real Amiga.  The AmigaForever software provides a utility called Explorer that allows you to see the drives on the Amiga from the PC, but this does not appear to be working although the Amiga and the PC can ping eachother.

I just want to make certain that you have the explorer software running on both the PC and the Amiga.  I did not do this the first time I tried to hook up an Amiga and PC.   The Amiga version of the Explorer program  must be running before any connection can be established.

To Sidewinder:       That is exactly correct. Yes,
Explorer is running on both machines.

       Wayne

[Thomas]

Why didn't you mention AmigaExplorer in any word ?

The default connecting method for AE is the serial nullmodem cable. Now you want to use TCP/IP. I assume you have configured the "Amiga Computer" icon on the Windows desktop for using TCP/IP but you have to configure the Amiga component of AE, too. This is done by editing the tooltypes of the icon (click it once and choose Information from the Icon menu).

Also the Amiga component of AE likes to quit silently if anything goes wrong.  Always check if it is still running after you get an error message on the PC.

Bye,
Thomas

[PhatBoiCollier]

Slight aside here guys but I have removed my old HD from my A4000, chucked it im my PC and tried to boot it with WinUAE.  THe problem is that it recognises partitions DH1-DH3 but there is no DH0.  The drive boots OK in my A4000.  Its not that it just isnt booting DH0, its not there at all (early startup etc).  Any ideas anyone?  :-?

I apologize for any misunderstandings. Both machines are configured for DHC TCP/IP, addresses
are set correctly, and again, both machines can ping
each other, but the PC side of Explorer says it cannot find the TCP/IP socket on the Amiga.

[Thomas]

There must be something wrong with you configuration. Not in TCP/IP but in AmigaExplorer. I tried it yesterday and it worked at once.

On the PC side you must configure the Amiga's IP address. The default is 127.0.0.1 which always identifies the same computer (localhost). You must enter the Amiga's IP address there.

Also check the passwords on both ends. The connection is refused if the password is not correct.

Bye,
Thomas

Hi:
     Sorry to take so long to reply. Been at work. Am aware of the settings you spoke of, and have checked them several times to no avail. What are you using for TCP software, and what type of ethernet card are you using?

      Regards,

                  Wayne