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A1200 with BlizzardPPC 603 and BVision Freezes
« on: March 31, 2005, 10:55:22 AM »
Hi there!

I bought a used BlizzardPPC and a used BVision and ordered a new OS3.9 for my A1200. I can install it but it freezes frequently with no obvious reason. I don't know what this is all about with those ppc.libs someone from the IRC told me what to do. Is there a manual for that? Maybe my hardware is broken, too ?! I use a PC powersupply so it should be strong enough.

Thank you for your help.

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Re: A1200 with BlizzardPPC 603 and BVision Freezes
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2005, 11:14:37 AM »
The obvious physical things to look out for:

1) Cooling. The BPPC/BVision combo should definately *not* be used in a desktop case. They do fit physically, but thermally they are way outside the 1200's case design profile.

Still with the cooling, check under your PPC heatsink for dust and other crap. The "fanned from the other side" heatsink was a bit of a design error in that it traps dust like anything. Clean it out and reapply a bit of thermal paste.

If your 680x0 is a 68040, it won't hurt to put some cooling on that too.

The Permedia2 chip also gets very hot (so much so that you can burn your fingers). A heatsink there is a must IMHO.

2) Connections. Make sure all connectors are clean - botherboard edge connector, SIMM sockets and the bvision connector. Make sure the BVision is securely socketed. The MiniPCI slot can't take much physical load, so the whole thing is secured with a pair of screw bolts. Make sure they are holding the card solidly, but not tightened to the point they are stressing the PCBs.

3) Make sure your PSU is healthy. The chances that you are drawing anything like 100W even are not so great so anything over that is ample (excuse the pun). However, your PSU needs to be healthy - a good clean voltage level on all lines.

4) The BVision/BPPC combo draw more current via the A1200 motherboard than most other expansions. In some cases I have seen the effects of overload. It isn't a massive overload that kicks in the first time you switch it on, it's a slow "operating close to the limit for a long time" type of overload. This is only an issue when you are powering the A1200 motherboard from a single point of attachment (eg the original rear power connector). If you are using a tower expansion (as you should be for this HW), you can power the A1200 motherboard from both the original connection on the back, and also via the floppy power connector. This ensures enough current can flow into the motherboard but not all through one place.


Obvious software issues to look out for:

1) That your firmware is up to date. You should use the last flashrom update *before* the grexx one. Your 68040/60.library binaries reside in there so whatever you have on disk in that regard is irrelavent.

2) You have WarpOS correctly installed and with the appropriate termination settings. If you need any ppc.library applications to work, check out the ppclibemu package for warpos.

3) Not sure if this was fixed, but there are stack issues sometimes with PPC applications. A utility like stackattack can be useful - it patches the system to always allocate more stack that was requested.
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Re: A1200 with BlizzardPPC 603 and BVision Freezes
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2005, 12:12:25 PM »
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jdb78 wrote:
Hi there!

I bought a used BlizzardPPC and a used BVision and ordered a new OS3.9 for my A1200. I can install it but it freezes frequently with no obvious reason. I don't know what this is all about with those ppc.libs someone from the IRC told me what to do. Is there a manual for that? Maybe my hardware is broken, too ?! I use a PC powersupply so it should be strong enough.

Thank you for your help.

Josef


As Karlos mentioned, power to the floppy connector is a good idea.

I have an A500 PSU plugged into the A1200 PSU connector, and an old 200W AT-PSU plugged directly into the floppy connector on the mobo, and this PSU also powers the HDD, CDRW, PC-KB adaptor, and the fan on my BPPC.

Works like a dream. :-D

With the 68040.library, you need to download the latest version from here.

Then from the archive copy 68040.library to LIBS:68040new.library, and 68040dummy.library to LIBS:68040.library, and finally 68060.library to LIBS:68060.library.

Also if you have installed WarpOS, make sure you have the line

C:BPPCFix install reboot

as the first line in your S:Startup-Sequence.

Also check that you have the latest WarpOS v5.1 installed too.
 

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Re: A1200 with BlizzardPPC 603 and BVision Freezes
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2005, 12:18:45 PM »
@mdma

Are you sure about the 68040 library? AFAIK, it just gets read out of the flashrom at power-on. I could be wrong about that mind you - I do have the the libraries installled that you describe.

About your power supply setup. Use a *single* PSU - any differences in voltage between a pair used in conjunction like this could cause problems if one drives the other reverse bias as a result.

What I did is to use a 1200 PSU cable wired to the PC PSU (using all the lines -12,0,5,12V) and a direct connection to the floppy point too.
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Re: A1200 with BlizzardPPC 603 and BVision Freezes
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2005, 12:25:29 PM »
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Are you sure about the 68040 library? AFAIK, it just gets read out of the flashrom at power-on. I could be wrong about that mind you - I do have the the libraries installled that you describe.

About your power supply setup. Use a *single* PSU - any differences in voltage between a pair used in conjunction like this could cause problems if one drives the other reverse bias as a result.

What I did is to use a 1200 PSU cable wired to the PC PSU (using all the lines -12,0,5,12V) and a direct connection to the floppy point too.


I'm not 100% sure about the libs, it's just what i was told.  There is an '040' argument you can pass to BPPCFix that disables the flashrom libs though.

:-o

The A1200 won't even power up with just the one PSU attached.  The power LED flashes and the screen is grey.

I'll have to get a bigger PSU then, as I don't want to kill my new baby!
 

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Re: A1200 with BlizzardPPC 603 and BVision Freezes
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2005, 01:16:29 PM »
@jdb78:

If none of Karlos' hints will make the problem go away, there's one more thing you should check:

Some A1200 motherboards are using a chipset revision that has timing problems. These problems were fixed in later board revisions (by using another chipset revision or by applying a fix to the motherboard), but some boards were distributed with this fault.

The boards usually work fine, but you'll run into problems if you're trying to use them with a 68040 or 68060 based accellerator. If the BlizzardPPC is the first accellerator with a 68040 or better CPU that you are using with this particular motherboard, you might want to try another motherboard (or check if your motherboard runs fine with another 68040/60 accellerator).

My original motherboard suffered from the timing problms described above. It worked fine with a Blizzard 1230 and a Zorro2 bus board for years, but when I bought the BlizzardPPC, the computer started to freeze frequently - even if I only powered the motherboard and the BlizzardPPC and let it display the 'insert disk' screen for a while.
 

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Re: A1200 with BlizzardPPC 603 and BVision Freezes
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2005, 03:25:49 PM »
Thank you guys for the help! I will try all this as soon as I got some minutes. I Power up the A1200 in a tower with a PSU from a PC (200W I think). I connected the powerplug to the floppypowerconnector on the motherboard, too. All items are  active cooled already. It is a motherboard from the Escom aera. I got two or three more. Maybe I should try another one. I'll keep you informed.

Thank's a lot from Germany ;)

Josef

 

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Re: A1200 with BlizzardPPC 603 and BVision Freezes
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2005, 05:05:17 PM »
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Also if you have installed WarpOS, make sure you have the line

C:BPPCFix install reboot

as the first line in your S:Startup-Sequence.

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I have tryed this but i dont have BPPCFix on my amiga, were do i get it?

Thanks!
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Re: A1200 with BlizzardPPC 603 and BVision Freezes
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2005, 05:10:21 PM »
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Also if you have installed WarpOS, make sure you have the line

C:BPPCFix install reboot

as the first line in your S:Startup-Sequence.

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I have tryed this but i dont have BPPCFix on my amiga, were do i get it?

Thanks![/quote]

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Re: A1200 with BlizzardPPC 603 and BVision Freezes
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2005, 08:00:40 PM »
@jdb78


you can also try the BLIZZPPC on its own first..do a few test then add BVISION..


sometimes when putting in the BLIZZPPC it does not alway make proper contact with the A1200 board..


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Re: A1200 with BlizzardPPC 603 and BVision Freezes
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2005, 12:57:28 PM »
I just want to add, that the BlizzPPC was never the most stable of accellerators (Mostly due to the AOS3.x IMHO)... the Blizzard 1230-MkIV has that honour.

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Re: A1200 with BlizzardPPC 603 and BVision Freezes
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2005, 07:38:10 PM »
@bloodline

On the whole my blizzard has been fine. However, it does have an annoying habit of refusing to boot every now and again (quite rare but when it happens it happens in odd clusters). When it is running though, it is fine.
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