Good old videos os AMIGA and Commodore 64!

[pockets]

Whoah!  I've never seen this archive before.  This is great!

I watched Computer Chronicles religiously in high school.  I was always watching for any mention of the Amiga and remember several of these episodes.

There are some great old videos that will most likely be lost forever.  I used to work at an Amiga dealer and remember things like the Aegis (remember them?) demo reel with entries to their animation contest ("Apocalypse Real Soon Now"), screens from 20,000 Leagues, etc.  Then there's stuff like the first Amiga World computer animation video.  There were promotional videos with Kara Bloom and other Amiga artists of the day.

Man, I wish I hadn't lost track of these over the years.

[SHADES]

@B00tDisk

I'm so sick of reading posts like this.
If you are intending to say that their is no more room for another computer OS or system in todays IT world, I would say to you, wake up. Because that's what your saying by telling everyone an OS is dead and buried and won't survive in these times.

There is plenty of room for a number of new platforms. It wasn't so long ago Linux arrived, quite some time after the amiga, and when it was FIRST released, it could do nothing more than shell commands as it didn't even have a working GUI at that time, yeah, that's right, X-Windows wasn't working! while the IBM clones of the time had windows and browsers and internet, heck, they even had printing! Something Linux users praised the lord when gostscript came along.

Now, to have a totaly niche based computer OS develop into what it is now from those humble begginings and against those odds (M$, Apple) it just goes to show you, without USB, Ethernet (which came 4 generations or 8 months later, I know, because my friend was President of Linux club in Australia and committed the Ethernet code), no printers, or browsers, this OS took off and chased the very heals of Microsoft themselves to a stage where most now consider it to be the only OS to use if safety on the internet is your primary concern.

So really, take a good look at the IT world before making a statement of such, there it is a very big dynamic world of technology, and AMIGA has just as much a chance at this as Linux did. Yes, even now in 2005! it doesn't take much to look at history to proove that one.

[B00tDisk]

SHADES wrote:
@B00tDisk

So really, take a good look at the IT world before making a statement of such, there it is a very big dynamic world of technology, and AMIGA has just as much a chance at this as Linux did. Yes, even now in 2005! it doesn't take much to look at history to proove that one.

Oh grow up.

It isn't a matter of what there is or isn't room for in the market.  The simple matter is that the Amiga has all but disappeared in terms of user-base, okay?  There's what, maybe a thousand or so serious users?

The end result of that is that the support network around the Amiga - the thing that can move a platform through the market - is also virtually nonexistent.  Look, I admire what Hyperion has done.  It's really great effort on their part.  But you need to understand: THERE IS NO AMIGA MARKET.  THERE HASN'T BEEN FOR OVER A DECADE.

It is a hobby niche, plain and simple.  Enjoy it!  UAE, Amiga-1, old hardware, it's all good.  Just don't kid yourself about there being any great Amiga revolution.  You might like to think that Apple's success (if you can call the marginalized hanging-on they do with regard to the computer desktop a "success") doesn't happen because of happy thoughts and good wishes.  It happens because there's a multi-billion dollar coporation driving it.

What's that you say?  What about Linux?  Linux didn't happen in a vacuum either.  If Linux had required some hardware widget that didn't exist when it was concieved, it would've gone down without a ripple.  But it ran (rather, runs) on cheap PC hardware.  And it's still a tiny fraction of the PC desktop market, and nowhere near a majority in the server market.

Why do people like you throw a fit when confronted with facts?  Sheesh.

[SHADES]

@ Bootdisk

>"Oh grow up.

>It isn't a matter of what there is or isn't room for in the >market. The simple matter is that the Amiga has all but >disappeared in terms of user-base, okay? There's what, >maybe a thousand or so serious users?"

Grow up???

I will try perhaps when you do your homework!

It was the very same thing for Linux when it first started. An extremly small userbase with next to no support and months of waiting for updates and features, yet it still managed to grow. It's not a debate, simple fact and there is NO reason as to why that can't happen with AMIGA OS. None.


>"What's that you say? What about Linux? Linux didn't happen >in a vacuum either. If Linux had required some hardware >widget that didn't exist when it was concieved, it would've >gone down without a ripple. But it ran (rather, runs) on >cheap PC hardware. And it's still a tiny fraction of the PC >desktop market, and nowhere near a majority in the server >market."

>"Why do people like you throw a fit when confronted with >facts? Sheesh."

As for running on cheap PC hardware, it also runs on very expensive SUN hardware and a mirriad of other expensive Machines!
Are these the facts you were thinking I was fitting over
 :lol:

[DethKnight]

Two hour downloads (per movie) !?!
       {getting only 156kbps}
Well I got some free time....I guess

[Hattig]

From a UK perspective, the C64 was the ugly computer with the reasonable graphics, good games and audio that took a long time to load.  They might as well have sold it with a single key that did LOAD "*",8,1

The Sinclair Spectrum was the cute little computer with the crappy, albeit detailed, graphics and fun games that was cheaper.

The Amstrad CPC was the other computer with colourful good graphics, average sound and decent business abilities (CP/M for example) and came with a monitor so the home TV wasn't taken over.

The C64 was laughed at for having the worst BASIC and for being ugly.  Spectrum was laughed at for being a Spectrum.  Amstrad was laughed at for not being very good at games (well, it was good, but its bitmapped screen made it a bit slower than a computer with tiled graphics). The bad BASIC on the C64 forced curious people to learn assembler, hence the good smooth games. The good BASIC on the CPC (not as good as the BBC, but that was a school computer, ewww!) meant lots of homebrew software, but fewer people hit the hardware in assembler. The Spectrum ... well, Spectrum programmers used MAXAM on a CPC then transferred the data across to the Spectrum.

The Atari 8-bits were nowhere in the UK, but I hear they were popular in the USA. They beat the C64 in terms of graphics and BASIC, but cost ... not until the XE, and that was too little too late.

I agree, AmigaOS was the perfect OS for systems like a PDA. Too late now, of course. Whilst AmigaOS keeps on being targetted towards expensive desktop systems, it would be better spending the time making it run in a suitable niche.

Edit: ooh, 200th post.

[SHADES]

@ hattig

Perhaps.
Look, as far as I'm concerned it all boils down to this.
If there is enough demand for the product, the product will continue to grow and things will inveitably get cheaper.

It(Amiga os) doesn't work on the x86 platform and there was discussion on following the other main contender to this CPU which ended up being the PPC core.
There are very few competing OS's on this platform and I think therefore makes sense to show off something different on this side. The real only contender on this PPC CPU is Apple and ok, Linux which can be compiled to run on just about everything now.
Still, there's no Microsoft to deal with, yet, and this could be a new beginning for another OS that I believe to be a great OS with loads of potential.

Time will tell, but AMIGA OS certainly isn't dead, it's about to begin and there's heaps of room in the IT world left for a number of OS's yet.
I remeber when this type of dicussion was aimed at Linux. People were saying, your all stupid, no one will use it, why would they, it won't run windows apps.
Clearly it has lived and grown past all that now.

I for one believe AMIGA OS could also become a super OS, given time, and interest in it!

[DavidF215]

B00tDisk wrote:
What's that you say?  What about Linux?  Linux didn't happen in a vacuum either.  If Linux had required some hardware widget that didn't exist when it was concieved, it would've gone down without a ripple.  But it ran (rather, runs) on cheap PC hardware.  And it's still a tiny fraction of the PC desktop market, and nowhere near a majority in the server market.

If Linux is in bad position as you say it is, then why is Microsoft considering it a threat? Obviously, it is no longer the small, dainty OS that you think it is. At least Microsoft recognizes the potential of Linux to cause problems with its bottom line. THAT is the fact. According to the surveys from big IT companies, the LinuxOS market share is growing in the server market very rapidly. Big companies like IBM are behind its development (IBM even added some Linux support into its Enterprise level AIX OS), so you will never be able to claim adequately that Linux has "nowhere near a majority in the server market". Linux exists in many solutions, with Enterprise support, and a continually growing market. I will admit that I am not a big Linux fan, but I continue to read how it is gaining market share; and if Microsoft consideres it a threat to its Monopoly, then to suggest that it is has a small, unimportant market share is ignorant and dogmatic.

[Azryl]

You dont need massive market share to have a profitable company and many many happy customers, sheesh, BMW has ONLY 5% of the world car market!

Now is a German engineered vehicle like the BMW {bleep}e because it doesnt dominate the world?

AmigaOS will always have a chance :-)