towering an a4KD- mouse and joystick placement

[Will-i-am]

patrik wrote:
@Will-i-am:

Have you tried this?
1. Remove the IDE-harddrive completely from the A4000D.
2. Jumper the short CD-ROM as master.
3. Connect one of the outer end connectors of the IDE-cable to the A4000D IDE-connector.
4. Connect the other outer end connector of the IDE-cable to the short CD-ROM.

Then see if it boots from a Workbench-floppy.


/Patrik

yes, all of the above. The quandry is illustrated like this. You take two CD/RW drives, one with a short case, one with a long case. Set both of them to "slave" and the HD to "master" Plug the long case into the ide cable. The computer boots and the drive is usable. Now unplug the drive and plug in the short cased drive. Turn on the power. The HD lights up then the CD drive light flashes, the HD light goes out and the machine sits there with not a flicker on the monitor. Normally this would say the short cased drive is busted, right? Now turn to the tower a4000 with the cyberstorm cpu. Plug in the long cased drive, the thing boots just fine. Unplug it and plug in the short cased drive. The thing boots just fine. Try the desktop machine with the CD drive(s) as master, as slave, as the sole drive in the machine booting from floppy...whatever I try, if the short case is plugged in, nothing will make the desktop boot. Makes not a lick of sense! I was hoping someone would tell me that the short case Sony drives have some kind of setting internally that the tower can override or something but the desktop can't handle. No such luck. Nobody can explain it. It could very well be something I'm doing, but it would have to be something I have consistantly done a couple of dozen times and I find that hard to believe. I mean, plugging-unplugging...check the pins, check the jumpers.... it's not rocket science, it's not like configuring a cable modem....which I can't do. But Since nobody can figure it out, then I say to hell with it. I'll leave the drive out of the desktop model, use it in the tower and have a tower with two working cd/rw drives. Now I have to figure out why the tower won't install Boingbag 1. It was supposed to help the other strange things the tower exhibits but only goes to 40% and then hangs up. The tower works well on some things, but screws up on others. But it will run all the CD drives I can plug in, short and long....

[patrik]

@Will-i-am:

The freaky thing is that the IDE-interface hardware should be equal in the A4000D and A4000T. And yeah - it shouldn't be rocket-science, rather more or less plug and play.

Btw, do you have kickstart 3.1 in both machines (trying to figure out something that is different between them).


/Patrik

[Framiga]

Hi all

IIRC from the other thread, the problem was the HD that's different.

In some (very rare) situations, a CDROM could be totally not compatible with a HD and often the problem is the HD itself and not the CDROM.

It happened to me too, years ago.

BTW- probably you have already done it but . . have you tryed the working AK4T HD-CDROM companion, in the A4000D?

[Will-i-am]

They both are running os 3.9, although parts of the tower os seem not quite right. ON the other hand, the tower runs both cd drives just fine. I think the idea that the HD and the CD drives might be fighting makes a certain ammount of sense. The desktop has a Seagate Medalist 3210 and the tower has a Quantum Atlas. Even though the cpu's are different it shouldn't be a problem?? The tower has a Cyberstorm PPC '060 and the desktop has a GVP T-rex '040. I suppose I could swap the cpu's (again) For awhile I was swapping them on a regular basis trying to figure out which went with which plan I had for the total package of all these computers. I have 8 now working with a total of 6 OS's and I had this insane idea I could network them. Hell, I can't even get them to boot at the same time! Unix, Linux, Amiga OS's 1.3, 2.1, 3.9, and Win ME.....

[patrik]

@Will-i-am:

The cpu-card should not make a difference. If I were you I would just let the CyberStormPPC stay put, dont touch it and hope that it lives as long as possible as they tend to be rather fragile.

When jumpering the harddrive, did you jumper as desribed here, in other words placed two jumpers on the two pin-pairs closest to the IDE-connector?


/Patrik

[Tahoe]

What happens if you plug both the hard drive and the short CD drive from the tower in your desktop? If that works you can be pretty sure it's the drive that's causing troubles. I recall having the same problem before swapping my Seagate with a 4GB IBM.

Ehr.... Hold on a minute... You say the Tower has a Quantum Atlas... That's a SCSI drive! Not IDE! Sure it's not a Quantum Fireball?

[Will-i-am]

The tower has a scsi HD and an IDE cd drive...the long case model. The desktop 4K only has IDE devices, no scsi interface. I can put the HD from the desktop into the tower if I mount it to the IDE interface along with the CD drive (as a slave). I haven't tried this combination yet because I figure that the short CD drive works fine in the tower so I don't need to test that. Likewise I'm not sure what testing the desktop HD in the tower would show. A funny aspect to this is that the OS on the desktop seems really stable. Everything except the short case CD drive works great with it. The tower has problems with the OS... parts that crash when used, like the Preferences programs, like Dopus4 crashing when you try to open it... Boingbag 1 tries to install and locks up at 40% complete. You'd think the tower would have problems with the CD drive but it switches happily between the two CD drives. The desktop HATES the short cased drive and can't even boot from a floppy when it's attached. Can't figure it out. I am thinking seriously about trying to connect the two machines thru a null modem cable and copying everything on the desktop HD into the HD on the tower, since the desktop seems otherwise the more stable. That will eliminate any software differences. All I'd need to do then is install the Phase5 PPC software and see if that is somehow enabling the tower to use the short cased CD when the desktop can't. That's about all I can think to do at this stage.

[Framiga]

oh now i've understood :-) the HD is SCSI . . .ok

Try to move the CD0 file from Devs:DosDrivers/ to Storage:DosDrivers/ and mount it after the boot.

[patrik]

@Will-i-am:

If you have a 060 on that CSPPC of yours, the reason why you are having all sorts of lockups might be a result of missing the 68060.library.

You can download the latest 68060 software from Phase5 here.

If you are running OS3.1 you install it by first doing this:
1. Rename your original LIBS:68040.library to LIBS:68040old.library

And then from the Libs drawer in the 68060-191099.lha archive doing this:
2. Copy 68040dummy.library to LIBS:68040.library
3. Copy 68040.library to LIBS:68040new.library
4. Copy 68060.library to LIBS:


If you are running OS3.9 you install it by just copying 68040.library and 68060.library from the Libs drawer in the 68060-191099.lha archive to LIBS:

Reboot after copying the libraries and the install is completed.


The PPC software you should use is WarpUP:
WarpUP 4.0
WarpUP 5.1 Update

Just install WarpUP 4.0 first, reboot and then install the WarpUP 5.1 update.


Merry christmas!


/Patrik

[Will-i-am]

Framiga wrote:
oh now i've understood :-) the HD is SCSI . . .ok

Try to move the CD0 file from Devs:DosDrivers/ to Storage:DosDrivers/ and mount it after the boot.

But the machine won't boot when the CD drive is physically attached to the computer! It can be attached to the tower and everything works fine, but not the desktop. So are you suggesting tht after a successful boot it's safe to plug the CD drive into the cable and then mount the CD0: file? I was always told this was not a good idea, although I have considered it.

[Framiga]

nope . . . never said those.

Although i've already done so, i DON'T suggest you to do so.

Simply remove the CD0 from Devs:Dosdrivers/

In this way the CDROM will not be mounted at startup.

[Framiga]

Hi patrik

WOS 5.1 isn't a patch but a full version (exept the Demos and other ancient things).

I've never installed WOS4.0

Bye :-)

[Will-i-am]

Framiga wrote:
nope . . . never said those.

Although i've already done so, i DON'T suggest you to do so.

Simply remove the CD0 from Devs:Dosdrivers/

In this way the CDROM will not be mounted at startup.

Well, I un-mounted it a few times, remounted a few times, tried various CD drive programs, like Fryingpan, atapipnp and asimcdfs....you get the idea. Nothing seems to enable that particular CD drive to work with this particular computer. Other drives work fine and the drive itself will work on the other machine. Maybe I should reassemble the other A4K desktop I have....I have to modify a psu and plug in a cpu....If the tower will boot from the one-of-a-kind '060 board then I can put the Cyberstorm into the working desktop, put the '040 into the "parts" desktop and then see if the CD drive will work on either of the desktops. That's a hell of a lot of working, though, just to get a drive to work. If it works on either one, then that's the 'puter it stays with. No more swapping parts for me! After all this fooling around, I still haven't stabilized the tower and I'm still thinking about putting the desktop into a tower case.

[patrik]

@Framiga:

The WarpUP 5.1 Update actually states that it requires WarpOS 4.0 in the readme.


/Patrik

[patrik]

@Will-i-am:

Did the new 68060-libraries make any difference?


/Patrik

[Will-i-am]

patrik wrote:
@Will-i-am:

Did the new 68060-libraries make any difference?


/Patrik

I think I have maybe three sets of '060 libraries. I have the ones that came with 3.9, the ones from Phase 5 (assuming they aren't the same) and an install disk from Atlantis with a modified '060 which I think goes with the unique '060 board. I'm planning on pulling the tower apart and trying once again to get the '060 card to work. The '060 libraries won't help the desktop since it only has an '040 board in it, but when I start in on the tower if I can make the '060 board work there then I will switch the Cyberstorm into the offending desktop and see if the difference enables the Beast to work with that short case CD drive. If it does I don't need to put it into a tower.