Goodness, A4000 couldn't help myself

[Karlos]

Breach of the peace at 2am.

You're all nicked! :lol:

[adz]

Karlos wrote:
Breach of the peace at 2am.

You're all nicked! :lol:

Oh no...its the old bill :-P

[Lemmink]

by X-ray on 2004/11/28 23:18:30

@ Lemmink

According to the prices you are quoting (which I would like to see in reality) he can get a MKII with a SCSI module for 160 - 190 Euro, and he can get a MKIII for 200 Euro.

So at best he saves 40 Euros and at worst he saves 10 Euros (assuming he can even find a CyberSCSI module for the MKII).

Does that seem like a sensible thing for him to do, if your prices are right?

Well the prices I quoted are usual going prices on Ebay or in forums. While I have seen people trying to sell an MKIII for as much as 300 EUR I personally wouldn`t pay much more then 160 EUR for a MKII / SCSI kombo ever.
I wouldn`t pay more for an MKIII then for an MKII with SCSI too, since it is more likely to break down (when have you ever heard of a faulty MKII ?)

Well maybe it`s only that I never liked the MKIII from the start. When it came out it costed nearly as much as a small CSPPC and people seem to remember that when they try to sell it.


P.S. what do you find wrong about my price estimations ? Do you think they are too high ? Sure you can get away a little cheaper if you can wait..

[stefcep]

If u can't get scsi then another option is to get one of the ata (IDE) zorro boards eg fastATA 4000.  big hard drives are cheaper as IDE rather than SCSI and also alot easier to get, as are cdroms and cd burners and the filesystem even allows you to use dvd drives and read dvd's (but not burn dvd).  apparanlty it is possible to get 14 meg/sec. u should get OS3.9 with the updates though, and i have heard something not being quite right when a big (40-80 gigabytes) hard drive is partitioned with >4 gig partitions.  anyone know more about this last thing?

[Lemmink]

In a classic Amiga nerver ever use IDE if you have the chance to use SCSI. No matter how fast a FastATA4000 could be (I only managed to get 6-7 MB/s out of it) it still eats up all your CPU-Power while accessing the attached drives.
If you are after cheap big drives take an IDE->SCSI konverter.
You easyly get a used Fastlane cheaper then a new FastATA and it will make you much happier (plus you can add another 64 MB RAM with cheapo 4MB 8bit SIMMS, though they are quite slow).

The only excuse for IDE on a classic Amiga is that you have a BlizzardPPC without SCSI, in any other case get an SCSI controller or exchange your accelerator for one with an SCSI option.

[X-ray]

@ Lemmink

I think the prices you quoted are too low. I don't mean to say that the Cyberstorms are WORTH more, I mean to say that they get SOLD for more these days. The last 4 Cyberstorms that I saw all went for more than $400 on ebay (one of those was a MKII).

[orange]

Oktagon is a lot SLOWER than built-in IDE. So, no, SCSI is not always better.

[Brian]

Framiga wasn't like crystal clear on his post... "its the original risercard, bundled with the Mikronik 4000Tower kit" should either not have the "original" in there or add RBM afterwards or something. Anyway... at least I missunderstood that and someone less knowledgable could do the same and so I posted. Either way theres no need to "sigh.. please.. talk to the hand.. rolleyes.. yawn" etc etc. As said it was a missunderstanding due to the post not being clear.

[jj]

Slighlt O/T but not really

I have an octagon scsi card, never used it, and a z4 busboard(zorro 2) for my A1200

I also have a nice cpu guzzling powerflyer gold in my a1200

whould the octagon be slower, but not use up all my clock cycles

which whould be the best to use or use both???

prehaps scsi hDD and powerflyer for my cd burner

[Lemmink]

by orange on 2004/11/29 8:51:06

Oktagon is a lot SLOWER than built-in IDE. So, no, SCSI is not always better.

 
I`m not sure about the Powerflyer JJ mentioned later on, but I would actually prefer the Oktagon over the onboard IDE. Or more precise everything (appart from maybe some real stoneage dinosaurs like the A2090) is better then the onboard IDE.
You will only get 2MB/s from the A1200/A4000 IDE and that`s about what the Oktagon will reach too, plus lower CPU  usage.


@ JJ

Saying what I have said the Powerfyer migh be the better option for you depending on how much speed you actually archive with it (my guess would be about 5MB/s in real live). As no ZII SCSI controller can surpass 2MB/s by much there will be a major drawback in speed.
If you take a look at a nice ZIII or turboboard controller there is a whole different picture. You will get 5-8 MB/s in real live plus low CPU usage.
So what Turboboard do you have ? If it is a Blizzard 1230/40/60 I strongly recommend that you get yourself an SCSI-Kit.

[jj]

I have a blizzard ppc 603e/175 040/25 without scsi

[Lemmink]

@ Lemmink

I think the prices you quoted are too low. I don't mean to say that the Cyberstorms are WORTH more, I mean to say that they get SOLD for more these days. The last 4 Cyberstorms that I saw all went for more than $400 on ebay (one of those was a MKII).

The fact you state the price in $ means that you live in the US. I have allready learnd that you have to double the price of used Amigahardware from europe to come close to what is paid for it in the US.
Here you are hard pressed to find someone willig to pay more then 150 EUR for a basic A4000D with Kick 3.1 and Buster 11  (heck I have even seen some go for around 100 EUR even on Ebay when it is yellowed and scratched) while it is abagain in the US to get one for 250 $.

by JJ on 2004/11/29 17:40:55

I have a blizzard ppc 603e/175 040/25 without scsi

Well then I guess you are stuck with the powerflyer