My eyes!! My eyes!!

[ArthurDent]

Oioioi leirbag28, slow down! :-) I'm new to this stuff and I'm getting dizzy! :insane:

Please let me elaborate: I own an A1200, on wich I use the Workbench a lot. I'm looking for a costeffective solution that's easy for a noob like me to install and doesn't ruin my PC-spoilt 85+ hertz vision. ;-) I figured the 1084 is perhaps the most common monitor used for Amiga's, so it must be able to display most/all of it's modes. Besides the TV-card, it looks like a good option since there must be lots of them still around. I'm not looking for confirmation, just good advice. As for the tv-card... a local store next door to me sells one relatively cheap, that I hope will be good. I'll probably get that one first, since it'll be even less expensive (Hey, I'm just a poor student).

I don't know anything about DoublePAL, productivity modes or special programs yet. I'm just starting to figure things out. :-) And these Genlock things, aren't they used for video-editing? They're probably hard to come by I guess..

Cheers,
Arthur

[blobrana]

@ArthurDent
it should be said that all the better modes will eat up the chip ram, Fblit etc>
i myself can run a Pal scrollable screen at 1000 x 600 within  that 2 Mb limit and have some left over to actually use it...  




@leirbag28
very perceptive,


My tip for today  to save memory is to install HappyENV.lha

[Speelgoedmannetje]

So you can use a flickerfixer between an A500 and a C=1084S screen?

[leirbag28]

@Speelgoedmannetje

No.you cant use a flickerfixer/scandoubler for a 1084s, as it does not support VGA..........a FlickerFixer turns the signal into a VGA(scandoubled) and fixes the flicker.

I do know of some scan doublers that still flicker because they lack a flickerfixer.its kinda like productivity mode.

Dont know if they have stand alone flickerfixers that don't scan double hte image.............if they do, then you can use that on a 1084s


@blobrana

What a weird screen mode....1000x 600? what is that? Super HighRes Interlaced? Your icons must look weird unless you kept the ones that come standard on WB2.0 and 3.1.



I have the American equivalent of the  philips CM8833 II monitor...it by Magnavox which is owned by Philips, but in the back of the monitor it says "PHILIPS" and looks identical to your monitor. Now I must ask does your monitor Strech the screen to fit a PAL screen when you put it in NTSC mode?.........the only way to truly know is to test that Philips monitor and a 1084s side by side but one at a time with the RGB cable.

Because My Magnavox automatically shrinks the screen to fit NTSC when I put it in PAL mode...so I dont miss any lines in the picture..in my opinion it squishes it too much but I adjust the controls.
See on a 1084s when I put it in PAL mode.the screen image is shifted up.but the Magnavox shrinks it and centers it.

you can even test it in the startup screen by holding the 2 mouse buttons down and when the menu comes up.just tap any key on the keyboard to switch to PAL or NTSC.you can keep doing this over and over.

[blobrana]

@leirbag28
it`s just pal , but scrollable ...

More desktop space for a browser window, and i have access to a bank of quick launch buttons along the side...

See!

On my philips , yeah, it just squishes down to a  ntsc screen, i can`t adjust it (though i figure that you could hack the cathode ray gun, and blow it up).

There was a screen refresh tweaker on aminet that allowed you  to increase the refresh rate/ screen size etc

[Kronos]

leirbag28 wrote:

Dont know if they have stand alone flickerfixers that don't scan double hte image.............if they do, then you can use that on a 1084s

Now that sound very much like "wash me, but don't make me wet"

A 1084 can only do 15kHz so every mode HAS to be in the range of 256 lines at 50Hz or 200 lines at 60Hz (plus overscan).

Interlace is just sending two different frames, resulting in something acting like 512 lines at 25Hz.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

@Leirbag
Thanks for answering my question :-)
It's also what I thought, initially, but it made me doubt about it when I read the part of the newer Commodore monitor