Does the AmigaOne have "early startup" menu and can it be used for "Dual booting"???

[DaveP]

Its only a little horn, which is probably why it is blown so much.

( Im going to regret that I guess )

[Seehund]

DaveP wrote:
Its only a little horn, which is probably why it is blown so much.

Don't make me come over there and whip out my horn!


Now, could someone who owns a Teron tell us what firmware options are available? Coder?

And does someone (Rogue, EntilZha...) know how AOS and other OSes will be booted?

[Orgin]

This is my take on what it will be like.

The early startup menu (as in 68k AOS) won't be available until the OS (4.0) itself is booting. That is, after the BIOS boot up and OS selection.

Steps:

1. Normal BIOS boot (press Fx-key for BIOS settings)
2. Grub or similar startup menu (for booting different oses)
3. Selected OS boot
3.1 If booting 4.0, an early startup menu will be available by using the standard hot key (LMB+RMB)
3.2 If booting another OS, that OS's standard boot procedure will execute.

Can't see why it would/should be made in another way than the above.

/Björn

[Seehund]

Kay wrote:
> Who cares?

Seriously, it seems a lot of people cares. Two reasons for this, I think: Firstly, the early startup menu is a typical Amiga feature, which is much liked and something people want on the new machines as well.

Guess I should have phrased it "Why do some people seem to care" then. It seems to be the same people who seem to make up a worryingly large percentage of the OS4 and "AmigaOne" Yahoo MLs. "The Amiga had an Early Startup Screen, accessible by holding down both mouse buttons and letting you do things like choosing NTSC/PAL from a grey screen with button gadgets and a Topaz font. Other hardware must have this too!! And we want boing ball animations!!!" In *my* eyes this is irrational and meaningless and has nothing to do with AmigaOS. Oh well.

[Seehund]

Orgin wrote:

Steps:

1. Normal BIOS boot (press Fx-key for BIOS settings)
2. Grub or similar startup menu (for booting different oses)
3. Selected OS boot
3.1 If booting 4.0, an early startup menu will be available by using the standard hot key (LMB+RMB)
3.2 If booting another OS, that OS's standard boot procedure will execute.

Can't see why it would/should be made in another way than the above.

Agreed. If there are AmigaOS-specific boot options, they should of course be accessible from AmigaOS, not the firmware of whatever hardware it's running on, i.e. "the AmigaOne" mentioned in the very subject of this thread.

[Blomberg]

This question of Darrens came out of a discussion we had on IRC regarding dual booting.
We were wondering whether or not the 'Early Startup Menu' (if present) could be used to select which device/partition to boot from as on the original Amiga. Simply to avoid the hassles of bootloaders, which are a pain in the arse IMO.
It's not about how it *looks*, whether it's a grey screen with Topaz or not, it is simply a question of being able to select the boot device (or partition) in an easy way, something which all computers should be able to do if you ask me.

[EntilZha]

Does the AmigaOne have the "early boot menu" and can it be used to boot different OS's (Or even varients of the same OS eg "flavours of Linux")

The BIOS will allow you to choose the disk to boot from.

Additionally, the original early startup menu will still be there. This can be used to boot from different disks as well...

The bootting process on the A1 is actually a two-stage approach: The first stage is carried out by the bios and loads the OS4 kernel (which used to be in ROM). The second stage is the "normal" boot that is carried out be Amiga's DOS.

The first stage is always carried out when you turn on the machine. On subsequent boots, you can skip it (the kernel will stay in memory, then), or choose to "cold boot".

Dual booting can be carried out by both, although it's probably better to cold boot and use the BIOS to boot into non-OS4 systems (like, uh, Linux, and... Linux

And before anyone asks, no, cold rebooting does not mean you have to turn your machine off and on again...

[EntilZha]

> Can you set both FSB frequency and multiplier? CPU and RAM voltages?

Jumpers only, I'm afraid.

However, some CPU's, like the 750 FX can change their multiplier on the fly, they have a fixed one that's straped via DIP switches, and a variable on that can be programmed by software.

> Or can PPCBoot handle this by itself?

It can handle it itself.

[EntilZha]

> And does someone (Rogue, EntilZha...) know how AOS and other OSes will be booted?

Incidentially, yes

First and foremost, PPCBoot has it's predefined way of booting images via any medium available, most notably through disk or netork. However, it's missing support for file systems.

Therefore, our modified version also has the ability to load an ambedded bootloader from a RDSK compatible disk. The OS4 Media Toolbox can create these bootloaders. That's the method we'll be using to boot OS4. Linux can be booted through this as well.

[lempkee]

wow, when Os4 is ready and when i have it+the 800XE well thats the day i stop to go outside (again?) i think,
while i am waiting i think i must buy enough of everything....FOOD,supplies,power,pay all my bills (so that the outside doesnt come to me:P)

if i wont write much reply's here for some days/weeks dont worry as i am just buying what i need

thomas, this looks dandy good! and i am SOOOOOOOOOOOOO looking forward to it. (os4)

[Ami603]

Someone on AmigaOS4 mailing list post a question about
Picasso96 V3 if it is possible to set screenmodes in
Portrait mode(768x1024 instead of 1024x768 for example)
because he wants to buy some TFT monitor that allow rotating 90 degrees.
Can be this done or are planned to do on 4.x versions of
picasso96?
 

[Dagon]

:-D I need a new
AMIGA!

How long will it take to boot to AmigaOS 4.0 from the time I press the power button? Very cool that it has`t got to pass from the bios everytime we reboot.

[Ami603]

I also!!
:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D

[Herewegoagain]

Someone on AmigaOS4 mailing list post a question about
Picasso96 V3 if it is possible to set screenmodes in
Portrait mode(768x1024 instead of 1024x768 for example)
because he wants to buy some TFT monitor that allow rotating 90 degrees.

Like this?

They are nice.  We sell those where I work.  But they do need softare support to rotate the screen image once it is physically turned.  Would be nice if that was in P96.

Nice!  :-D

You guys should read the OS4.0 features properly. Espacially those, who write nonsense in this topic.
It says on page 15:
"USB stack
OS4 will include a USB stack to support peripherals using the USB standard for connectivity.
As the stack is part of the OS it can be available during boot, allowing the use of USB mice and
keyboards in the early startup menu."

To me this is clear enough.



@Dagon:
:-)))))  Mai pensato a pronunciare AmigaOne in questo modo.