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Awesome Pegasos II user review
« on: June 02, 2004, 06:53:58 PM »
If anyone was even vaguely interested in the Peg II and Morphos, this review is an honest, open and wonderful read about a users journey to a new 'Amiga like' experience.

http://www.morphzone.org/extra/PegasosReview/01_Introduction.html

I enjoyed it and I was sold on the Pegasos over 3 years ago already! :-D

Enjoy,

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Re: Awesome Pegasos II user review
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2004, 08:45:15 PM »
Bump!

Maybe someone could post this as a news item....?


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Re: Awesome Pegasos II user review
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2004, 09:25:00 PM »
Very interesting!
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Re: Awesome Pegasos II user review
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2004, 10:13:32 PM »
Yes, definitely interesting reading. Cool, objective, and without the whining 'my machine is better than yours' undertone which plagues so many Pegasos reviews. Most assuredly the touch of a scientist :-). The only place where the quality drops off a bit is where the author tries to envision the future, and begins to talk about OS bloat and small OS footprints: quite pointless, IMO. But that is just a minor blemish on an otherwise great set of articles.
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Re: Awesome Pegasos II user review
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2004, 10:52:46 PM »
@Cymric

"The only place where the quality drops off a bit is where the author tries to envision the future, and begins to talk about OS bloat and small OS footprints: quite pointless, IMO."

Not at all...I think it mirrors how difficult it is for any competitor to find any foothold, in any market against the dominance of Microsoft. It is hard, requires much creative thought and work in unheard of proportions.

Unless by pointless...you meant, it's pointless to compete? (Which is almost the conclusion in many places...)

Unneccessary ...maybe... but such an excellent review, we can forgive the personal opining. Choosing an 'Amiga like' experience is such a personal choice against an ever growing sea of indifference after all.

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Re: Awesome Pegasos II user review
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2004, 12:16:27 AM »
My reason for mentioning the pointlesness was that it has become very difficult to tell whether an OS is bloated, or has a small footprint. This is mostly Microsofts fault, since it has done an admirable job of blurring the line between OS and ordinary application. However, since small footprint almost always means giving up a lot of functionality people are starting to take for granted, it makes any comparison rather unequal, not to mention unfair, and thus futile. In other words, what the discussion lacks is a precise and quantitative definition of 'bloat' and 'small footprint'---and I have a very strong feeling that such a definition will never appear, too.

I also think it doesn't matter anymore, given todays prices of CPU MHzs and solid state MBs, and the fact that the OS is no longer the main resource hog. Neither the Pegasos II nor your average Wintel clone are lowly A500's where every byte and CPU cycle is made to last. This is proven time and time again by the various wish lists which appear on this and other websites: people want to have G5 CPUs and over 1 GB of memory. You don't need that kind of power just to run the OS.
 
People will be quick to point out that you can still strive to save as many resources for your programs, which I agree with. It is most definitely a Good Thing. But without an objective way of measuring the increase in productivity and throughput as a function of the amount of free resources, especially in the difficult case of 'sufficient resources' and 'more than sufficient resources', the argument falls rather short. (No sane person will run the programs they want to run on a system which has a chronic lack of required resources---that will bring any system, even one with a 'small footprint', to its knees.)

If you care about such issues, you diligently search for programs which are written in hand-optimised assembly language, and sacrifice every shred of comfort for the sake of efficiency. But then 640 KB of main memory ought to be sufficient for everyone, right...?
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Re: Awesome Pegasos II user review
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2004, 01:22:50 AM »
A technical definition of an operating system seems to be fleeting, so I use a practical one: an operating system is whatever the publisher puts on the CD.  If they choose to incorporate a whole slew of features which I (personally) don't care about, I will call it feature creep.  If the software seems larger than reason dictates, I will call it software bloat.  These definitions may seem subjective, but they are what I care about as a consumer.

To give you an example: QuickTime is installed by default on Macintosh systems.  In Mac OS X 10.1, the QuickTime framework (ie. the libraries) is about 5 MB.  That is sane and may even be reasonable (I don't know how many audio, image, and video codecs it provides).  Another component is the QuickTime Player, which is some 15 MB in size.  The player is pretty simple, and the hard work is being done by the libraries.  Why is it so big?  I poke around a bit and find that 88% of that is used for resources: icons and languages.  Now I like the appearance of Workbench 2.x and Mac OS 7.  Simple, yes.  Garish and busy, no.  Languages are another sticking point.  Yes, it is important for developers to make multilingual programs.  Yes, it is important for multilingual support to be available on the distribution media.  On the other hand, I only understand one language and I've rarely encountered situations where a given machine would need to support more than two or three languages.  So why were fifteen languages installed by default?  And the executable itself is still 1.6 MB.  Why is it so bloody large when the resources are stored somewhere else, and libraries are handling all of the encoding and decoding.  The logic for the program ought to be pretty simple: it involves setting up windows and allowing the user to select function.  Something like this would have taken 10's of kB in the past.

Then there are other issues, such as the complexity of the system.  I like understand what is going on at a high level.  If the system is too complex to even track dependencies, how am I supposed to understand the system at a lower level?
 

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Re: Awesome Pegasos II user review
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2004, 10:58:19 AM »
You are right...to the majority of consumers, bloat is in fact not
even on the radar! Thanks for clarifying.

Bloat (or feature creep) is in fact how they keep consumers consuming!

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Re: Awesome Pegasos II user review
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2004, 12:19:14 PM »
It was a great read! More people need to read that and take a good look at the Pegasos. Its a outstanding system to use and deserves a good solid userbase.
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Re: Awesome Pegasos II user review
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2004, 12:37:44 PM »
an interesting read
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