The Opera, the Opera, we all like the Opera!

[BouncingAyatollah]

Yeah, I love Opera too. I am stunned how 7.50beta can be even faster. I tried Mozilla (which is great too) for a while and went back to Opera after about a day because of all the little considerations that Opera has in the interaction side of things.

For example, in Opera closing a tab returns you to the PARENT tab, in Mozilla (version I tried) you go to the next tab TO THE LEFT on the bar meaning you have to navigate and select the parent one (EVERY time). In Opera you can open in same window, open in new window etc. all from a right-click, and mouse gestures are great, you can navigate and hardly ever move the mouse. Mozilla was nice but too many two or three click actions, or right-across-page navigations that were faster in Opera.

[Ilwrath]

For example, in Opera closing a tab returns you to the PARENT tab, in Mozilla (version I tried) you go to the next tab TO THE LEFT on the bar meaning you have to navigate and select the parent one (EVERY time).

Actually, this is incorrect, at least for the newer versions of Firefox.  If you close a tab, you go to the tab immediately RIGHT of the one you closed. (in other words, in most cases, you will advance to the next tab you opened.)  If there are no tabs on the right, you'll move one to the left. (which will usually be the parent tab.)  

To me, this makes great browsing sense.  For example... Say I'm looking for a small tidbit of info in large site map.  I find two links I think may lead to what I want.  I open each in a tab.  I flip to the first tab... not what I wanted -- close it.  Advances one tab right.  I'm brought to the other link I had opened.  Ooops, doesn't contain the info I want, either.  Close it, and since no more tabs are open right of it, Firefox moves back one tab left, and I'm back at the parent page, after having run out of branches.  It's pretty rare that I find myself battling tabs, or getting moved where I don't want to go.  And, even if you do, a quick click or mouse gesture, and things are back in order.  Oh, yeah, mouse gestures are cool.  ;-)

I much prefer Mozilla over anything else I've used.  (To be fair, it's been a few versions back since I last used Opera, but Firefox has been so perfect, I don't want to use anything else.)

A neat hint for disabling ALL Internet Explorer connections, and confusing lots of ad-ware enabled programs.  Set your IE proxy settings to 127.0.0.1.  This way, your computer tries to use itself as a proxy, and fails, thinking your internet connection is down.  This eliminates the possibility of something using IE components (rather than IE, itself) to connect.  (Most decent firewalls should catch this act, but I've seen it sneak through some.  Certain versions of Zone Alarm, for one...)

[BouncingAyatollah]

Actually, this is incorrect, at least for the newer versions of Firefox. If you close a tab, you go to the tab immediately RIGHT of the one you closed. (in other words, in most cases, you will advance to the next tab you opened.) If there are no tabs on the right, you'll move one to the left. (which will usually be the parent tab.)

Yeah, you're correct, I still find it a PITA though as I usually have multiple tabs open, meaning there are some in between a page with a link on it and the one that the link generates.

I haven't tried FireFox, I'll certainly give it a look when it gets to 1.0 if not before.

If you haven't used Opera since 6.nn or similar I'd certainly give 7.23 or the 7.50beta a look though.

Mozilla/Firefox/Opera - all better than IE (AKA "Aieeeee!!" as in "Aieeeee!! More spyware!")

[Dan]

Yeah, Opera rocks.
The reason I use it as my main browser is that it saves pages and pictures so much faster than Netscape(dunno if thats speeded up in more recent mozilla versions haven´t tried them yet).

[Will-i-am]

I tried Opera a long time ago, loved it big time but somehow lost track of it... maybe the machine itself went away, but right now I'm using mozilla suite and like it a bunch for all of the above reasons...I have, however been thinking about trying Opera again...maybe I will. At one point someone was going to port it to Amiga OS but I guess like so many things it never happened. Doesn't matter anymore for me because I can't seem to get any of my Amigas to break thru our router into the cable modem....no one has been able to help me out either. sigh. And me too dumb to figger it out myself. rats. Forces me to use the freakin' Windoze box my sweety-pie wife insists we have. (Just because sometimes she has to work from the house...big deal...I hate Windoze for all the right reasons) :pissed:

[jjans]

I just uploaded Opera 7.50 and it sucks once again, just like the last time they upgraded it. It refuses to allow me to log into amiga.org no matter what I do to the 'wand' or the security settings. I even turned off the firewall, just in case...

Version 7.23 worked fine, and I wish now that I had left it alone, as this happened last time I upgraded from 6.0. I wouldn't be so PO's but I supported them and bought the registration, but it appears that they use the same 'user beta testing' policies as Micro-you-know-who...

Anyone else have problems with this?

[Vincent]

jjans wrote:
I just uploaded Opera 7.50 and it sucks once again, just like the last time they upgraded it. It refuses to allow me to log into amiga.org no matter what I do to the 'wand' or the security settings. I even turned off the firewall, just in case...

I've been using Opera since 7.13 (I think) and I've never had any real problems with it except for the [more...] link on here spewing out |> instead of the smilies.

Never had a log in problem.

[lorddef]

Opera is bloated, never liked it for that, as for the ads just crack it or buy it depending on your morals, I couldn't be doing with text adverts in my browser. Why you'd bother when there are good open source soloutions I don't know, Firefox does the job here.

I've seen Opera in action on one of those p900 phones, now thats a different matter, it doesn't seem bloated at all.

[gnarly]

lorddef wrote:
Opera is bloated, never liked it for that

!!!!? Bloated? 3.5mb for a full featured web browser, mailer, news reader and irc client? Thats bloated?! ??

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[Will-i-am]

last night I downloaded Opera 7.5, installed it and just now I am logged in and posting with absolutely no problems. The "geting used to" phase is disconcerting though. I guess I am too used to Mozilla. ON the other hand though, like the first time I tried it out oh so many years ago I am flabberghasted at how fast the sucker is! Very nice. I absolutely despise IE. Nasty sucky browser. ON that cheery note, lets hit the submit button and see what happens!

[Vincent]

Will-i-am wrote:
The geting used to" phase is disconcerting though. I guess I am too used to Mozilla. ON the other hand though, like the first time I tried it out oh so many years ago I am flabberghasted at how fast the sucker is! Very nice. I absolutely despise IE. Nasty sucky browser. ON that cheery note, lets hit the submit button and see what happens!

Good to see you're pleasantly surprised :-D

You'll get used to it pretty quick, the firsty wee while it's a good idea to customize the toolbars to give you everything you want :-)

And now we all know Submit works ;-)