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Re: Post your AmiWest 2016 questions here
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2016, 11:20:51 PM »
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Any news about an updated browser?

Well, that is outside the scope of AmigaOS and I don't have any news myself. Maybe A-EON is working on one? :)
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Re: Post your AmiWest 2016 questions here
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2016, 11:22:05 PM »
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So an official statement would be nice.

You are wise to ask for direct clarification on things. Plus, news can change from day to day. Assuming you heard something or read something correctly is never a good idea.
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Re: Post your AmiWest 2016 questions here
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2016, 12:00:31 AM »
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You are wise to ask for direct clarification on things. Plus, news can change from day to day. Assuming you heard something or read something correctly is never a good idea.

We do have a fair number of rumors that crop up in the community, Steve.
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Re: Post your AmiWest 2016 questions here
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2016, 06:45:52 PM »
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Great to know that there is available product heading into the holiday season.

Yes, it has been a long haul for everyone involved but it is close. Release candidates are being tested as I type.

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Any more questions on what I said or exhaled?

I plan to keep checking a.org and I wont be posting on any other public forums due to time constraints.
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Re: Post your AmiWest 2016 questions here
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2016, 07:33:10 PM »
@Steve

I've seen Mike Acton video about data oriented design in C++ (see link below) and he talked about performance and how they change the C/C++ code so the compiler can produce optimized code that make optimum use of cache (avoiding cache misses that impact performance).
Is this something you take into account while developing AmigaOS for it to be faster?
It also state that Clang is better than VS, are you considering using Clang over GCC?

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Re: Post your AmiWest 2016 questions here
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2016, 09:25:40 PM »
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Well, that is outside the scope of AmigaOS and I don't have any news myself. Maybe A-EON is working on one? :)


Really hope that :)

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Re: Post your AmiWest 2016 questions here
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2016, 10:22:56 PM »
Is there any update on the Hans-Jörg's new 3D API?  His last blog on the subject was all the way back in 2011.

In the blog he says that driver interface is not dependent on Gallium drivers and alternative drivers can be loaded for hardware not supported by Gallium.  Does this mean that A-EON's 3D drivers could be loaded where appropriate for a particular task?  I'm asking this on the assumption that Warp3D Nova will provide faster performance than Gallium drivers.
 

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Re: Post your AmiWest 2016 questions here
« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2016, 08:47:06 AM »
Hello

Will Alice breaks the 128 MB limit ? or will have a functionnal uaenative.library (allowing Wazp3D kind of ppc/x86 driver) ?

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Re: Post your AmiWest 2016 questions here
« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2016, 05:41:20 PM »
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Is this something you take into account while developing AmigaOS for it to be faster? It also state that Clang is better than VS, are you considering using Clang over GCC?

We don't really need those types of performance gains until we take care of the low hanging fruit first.

Much larger optimization gains can be had by utilizing A-EON's hardware to the fullest. There are several DMA channels sitting around doing nothing on the X1000 for example.

I am much more interested in order of magnitude optimizations.
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Re: Post your AmiWest 2016 questions here
« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2016, 05:42:32 PM »
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Will Alice breaks the 128 MB limit ? or will have a functionnal uaenative.library (allowing Wazp3D kind of ppc/x86 driver) ?
That project has nothing to do with Hyperion so I'll leave it for others to answer.
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Re: Post your AmiWest 2016 questions here
« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2016, 05:50:07 PM »
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Is there any update on the Hans-Jörg's new 3D API?  His last blog on the subject was all the way back in 2011.

Sorry but I have no update on the status of the AmigaOS Gallium port at this time.

Warp3DNova was born out of the frustration in waiting for the Gallium hardware drivers. It also means A-EON is not dependent on the efforts of those working on Gallium and they can support older cards as required. A-EON is focusing on content and sometimes that means giving the OS a boost to get that content on there.

I was playing AmiCraftNova at AmiWest on my Sam460ex. Whether that works via Nova or Gallium or some other engine I don't really care and I doubt end users will either.
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Re: Post your AmiWest 2016 questions here
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2016, 07:07:00 PM »
I known it's on stand by status right now but have you guys found a good solution to multicore support ? I remember sometime ago (a year?) you were studying different solutions.
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Re: Post your AmiWest 2016 questions here
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2016, 08:16:36 PM »
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Sorry but I have no update on the status of the AmigaOS Gallium port at this time.

Warp3DNova was born out of the frustration in waiting for the Gallium hardware drivers. It also means A-EON is not dependent on the efforts of those working on Gallium and they can support older cards as required. A-EON is focusing on content and sometimes that means giving the OS a boost to get that content on there.

I was playing AmiCraftNova at AmiWest on my Sam460ex. Whether that works via Nova or Gallium or some other engine I don't really care and I doubt end users will either.


Nova also takes some the burden off Hyperion.  Glad to hear that the focus will switch to multi core once the X5000 an A1222 releases are out of the door.

Hans-Jörg mentioned in his blog that the API (not Gallium) will also be used for hardware acceleration of the OS as well as applications.  If Nova turns out to be faster than Gallium it would be nice to able to drop in a more efficient driver for that purpose.

I was thinking of asking Hans-Jörg directly but since you were asking for questions thought I'd ask here anyway.

I think you said last year that the X5000 is using the X Kenel from day one, would I be right to assume the same of the A1222.
 

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Re: Post your AmiWest 2016 questions here
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2016, 10:03:15 PM »
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Hans-Jörg mentioned in his blog that the API (not Gallium) will also be used for hardware acceleration of the OS as well as applications.  If Nova turns out to be faster than Gallium it would be nice to able to drop in a more efficient driver for that purpose.

Using the GPU hardware is the point. It doesn't really matter which is "faster" because neither Gallium nor Nova are doing all the work. They are just a means to enable the GPU.

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I think you said last year that the X5000 is using the X Kenel from day one, would I be right to assume the same of the A1222.

The so-called X-Kernel is just a label given to a source code branch. We just needed a way to tell the main trunk apart from the experimental multicore kernel. It will all become just the kernel again and users need not be concerned.
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Re: Post your AmiWest 2016 questions here
« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2016, 10:24:39 PM »
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I known it's on stand by status right now but have you guys found a good solution to multicore support ? I remember sometime ago (a year?) you were studying different solutions.

I actually don't know all the details myself but Thomas did figure something out and is implementing things. The implementation certainly didn't hit any road blocks yet.
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Re: Post your AmiWest 2016 questions here
« Reply #29 from previous page: October 11, 2016, 11:26:58 PM »
I was at the show and i have to say Steve S does a great job as OS4 leader and is a dedicated and nice guy. His hands are tied a lot but he really believes in the os and the future and is doing everything he can to help. There was a lot of good news out of Amiwest  and the X5000 looked great. For me the price is a good price point for it. There is a lot of good news on the horizon for os4 and classic.
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