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Offline raouldukeTopic starter

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Re: How to Use an A2320
« Reply #44 from previous page: April 24, 2016, 05:33:37 AM »
Didn't work [my VGA adapter]... I guess there's a small possibility that I wired it wrong (which I think is unlikely, though) and that starting from scratch would help.

Actually the only thing I couldn't try is the Dell CRT monitor I bought that has (by a wide margin) the widest scanning range - bc it has a male VGA plug and my ... apparatus ... also has a male VGA plug.  So I think I'll start there (with an adapter).

I recapped the two electrolytic 470uf 16V caps on the A2320 but that had no obvious effect.  I bought these 101(-labeled) caps but the ones I got only have two axials/leads and the originals have three.  Is one a ground?  I assume I should just look for another set of caps that have 3?
 

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Re: How to Use an A2320
« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2016, 05:20:07 AM »
Could I be misunderstanding the purpose of all this?  I just wanted a higher resolution display mode.  Currently I'm also locked into max 16 colors.  I just assumed this was a limitation of composite output mode.
 

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Re: How to Use an A2320
« Reply #46 on: April 25, 2016, 06:44:52 AM »
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Could I be misunderstanding the purpose of all this?
Probably.

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I just wanted a higher resolution display mode.
You don't get one. You get a higher frequency output to be able to connect a standard VGA monitor to the system. You get the interlaced modes without flicker.

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Currently I'm also locked into max 16 colors.  I just assumed this was a limitation of composite output mode.

No, that's a limitation of the chip ram DMA bandwidth. The flicker fixer cannot change that in any way.
 

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Re: How to Use an A2320
« Reply #47 on: April 25, 2016, 06:51:55 PM »
Can you explain the chip ram DMA bandwidth issue?  Or is there an easy link that would explain it?
 

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Re: How to Use an A2320
« Reply #48 on: April 25, 2016, 07:06:45 PM »
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Can you explain the chip ram DMA bandwidth issue?  Or is there an easy link that would explain it?


You are essentially asking why buying a new fancy TV does't make the picture quality from your ancient VCR any better. The "chip ram DMA bandwidth issue" is simply that it is too low for higher resolutions, and those who designed it knew that much.
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Re: How to Use an A2320
« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2016, 07:14:16 PM »
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Could I be misunderstanding the purpose of all this?  I just wanted a higher resolution display mode.

Get a real graphics card.  Or even an Indivision ECS offers several additional higher resolution modes (HighGFX, SuperPlus, HD720).
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Re: How to Use an A2320
« Reply #50 on: April 25, 2016, 07:14:49 PM »
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Could I be misunderstanding the purpose of all this?  I just wanted a higher resolution display mode.  Currently I'm also locked into max 16 colors.  I just assumed this was a limitation of composite output mode.


It sounds as though what you're looking for is a Zorro graphics card. These will give you higher resolution screen modes in Workbench with more colours. You'll be also wanting a CPU expansion to drive it though, so there's more expense...
 

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Re: How to Use an A2320
« Reply #51 on: April 25, 2016, 07:24:47 PM »
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Can you explain the chip ram DMA bandwidth issue?  Or is there an easy link that would explain it?

Well, with the clock rate of the custom chips as low as it is, and the amount of data lines between the ram and the custom chips, there is a certain upper limit of how many bytes can be pushed out of the display at a time, and that limits the available resolution and the available number of bitplanes.  

The OCS/ECS chip ram bandwidth saturates at 4 hires bitplanes, or (theoretically) at 8 lowres bitplanes. At that rate, the maximum amount of data theoretically possible goes from the RAM to the custom chips.

At that time, this was the highest achievable rate possible with state of the art technology.

Nothing can really fix that, within the limits of the ECS machine, this is as far as it gets.  

If you want more colors, or higher resolution, get a graphics card.

CBM had a special monitor, the A2024, that also accepted refresh frequencies as low as 15Hz to enable higher resolutions. This monitor had an internal framebuffer to quadrupel the frequency from the system to the actual tube. There is some custom support in the Os to enable it - it requires a very specific chip setup to send an entire video frame in four iterations (four tiles) to the monitor.

The standard flicker fixer cannot do that. It can buffer a field (half a frame) to double the vertical frequency of interlace screens, but that's as far as its operation goes. It cannot interpret the special A2024 modes. (Which are really just a hack in the system).
 

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Re: How to Use an A2320
« Reply #52 on: April 25, 2016, 07:40:51 PM »
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CBM had a special monitor, the A2024, that also accepted refresh frequencies as low as 15Hz to enable higher resolutions.

Now that I look it up, it is even as low as 10Hz. Surprisingly - I didn't know this before - there was *also* a custom flicker fixer that essentially used the same logic the A2024 had, but fitted it into the video slot and gave you the same resolutions the A2024 had - based on the same exotic technology, with the same drawbacks (slow refresh, of course!).

Here's more information: http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/moniterm

No, it's not useful technology I would recommend buying. A graphics card is the better investment.