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Offline olsen

Re: A2410 Graphics Card
« Reply #14 from previous page: May 21, 2015, 08:12:13 PM »
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Good lord, what is that monster, about 2' long?  :lol:
You won't be able to fully appreciate the true majesty of this contraption until you've installed Amiga Unix with it and have suffered through the prolonged and loud copying process, capped by the loud and lengthy rewind operation.

Fun fact: the installation process was hardwired to work only with the A3070, and it would fail if you used a different type of tape drive. Very narrow driver tolerances :-(
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Re: A2410 Graphics Card
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2015, 11:50:24 PM »
AMIX was a curiosity, luckily there was NetBSD and Linux very soon after, with much wider hardware support.
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Offline olsen

Re: A2410 Graphics Card
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2015, 07:08:10 AM »
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AMIX was a curiosity, luckily there was NetBSD and Linux very soon after, with much wider hardware support.
It took 3-4 years for NetBSD to appear for the Amiga, which at the time seemed like an eternity :(
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: A2410 Graphics Card
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2015, 07:05:11 AM »
DAAAAAAAMN.  I called my guess for how high this would go at $500.  Looks like I should've guessed higher.

Or as my gf said, Amiga folks are crazy.  :lol:
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Re: A2410 Graphics Card
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2015, 11:54:20 PM »
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DAAAAAAAMN.  I called my guess for how high this would go at $500.  Looks like I should've guessed higher.

Or as my gf said, Amiga folks are crazy.  :lol:


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Re: A2410 Graphics Card
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2015, 08:43:14 AM »
Speaking of oddball *ix implementations, anyone remember AmiNIX?
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Offline olsen

Re: A2410 Graphics Card
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2015, 12:06:38 PM »
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Speaking of oddball *ix implementations, anyone remember AmiNIX?
http://www.amigareport.com/ar302/news.html
Not much to remember there, is it? It's not enough to have a kernel, the thing has to be bootstrapped, with the system and userland software to match. This is what Markus Wild did with ixemul.library, which was used as a springboard to build the Amiga NetBSD port.

Fun fact, there was a port of the MACH kernel (I forget which version; this was back in 1992-1992) for the Amiga which actually booted. It didn't fly, because there was no terminal output (you had to restart your Amiga and use a hex editor to find the terminal output in RAM), and the kernel didn't manage to enter the init process that would have launched the system and userland services. It didn't have a file system to boot from, and no binaries either...
 

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Re: A2410 Graphics Card
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2015, 12:25:00 PM »
Wow 560$! I hope it went to someone who actually knows how to use it and needs it, not some fleabay scumbag trying to speculate on ultrarare hardware.

Mach on Amiga (as on everything else bar NeXTSTEP and OSF/1 / Digital TruUNIX64) was a complete waste of time... Look at the Hurd, it only managed to get a pseudo working release with Debian userland this year. Linux and *BSD was the only rational way to go to have a free *nix system on the Amiga, shame it took so long.


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Re: A2410 Graphics Card
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2015, 02:33:20 PM »
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Mach on Amiga (as on everything else bar NeXTSTEP and OSF/1 / Digital TruUNIX64) was a complete waste of time... Look at the Hurd, it only managed to get a pseudo working release with Debian userland this year. Linux and *BSD was the only rational way to go to have a free *nix system on the Amiga, shame it took so long.
Back in the day it was hard to predict what was going to work. Commercial Unix versions were still very competetive, and the legal case AT&T had brought against BSD had not played out yet. Free alternatives were few, and who could have predicted that Linux would emerge as the winner? It could have been MACH, although its BSD-derived userland/system binaries were as problematic as BSD itself at the time.

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Anyone have Motif for AMIX? It's one of those missing pieces...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this never shipped as part of Amiga Unix, only as part of a third party graphics solution (DMI resolver?).
 

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Re: A2410 Graphics Card
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2015, 02:50:35 PM »
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Back in the day it was hard to predict what was going to work. Commercial Unix versions were still very competetive, and the legal case AT&T had brought against BSD had not played out yet. Free alternatives were few, and who could have predicted that Linux would emerge as the winner? It could have been MACH, although its BSD-derived userland/system binaries were as problematic as BSD itself at the time.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this never shipped as part of Amiga Unix, only as part of a third party graphics solution (DMI resolver?).


That's all I've been able to dig up too ... Was with the DMI Resolver for some reason. Shame, as even Atari SVR4 has Motif, which gives them NCSA Mosaic. Still, that requires an Atari TT and that's pretty damn rare compared to the A3000.

I agree that around 92 it was still very hard to tell what was going to win even 5 years later, but the time spent by the GNU people by then, with very little to show for it, on HURD was a good sign that Mach wasn't going to take over, especially as the it's disadvantages by then (speed between servers, etc) were well known. And hardware was moving or had moved to RISC for all the major players in the UNIX world.
 

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Re: A2410 Graphics Card
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2015, 01:46:43 AM »
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