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Re: On being too nostalgic: Tony Fadell mentions Amiga
« Reply #14 from previous page: September 24, 2014, 03:04:22 PM »
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I think there are some people who think that AmigaOS or MorphOS could increase it's market share massively, but it isn't going to happen.

There are 7 billion people in the world, so there's no reason why we have a nice new Amiga like platform come back with 5-10 million people. ;-)
 

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Re: On being too nostalgic: Tony Fadell mentions Amiga
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2014, 03:25:05 PM »
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Then I suggess you open your eyes: very few MP3 players have 128Gb today... Most mp3 players (those that are "better" than iPods got as little as 8/16Gb), and the only HD-based ones come with 128Gb only.

 Memory is so cheap today, I don't understand this logic at all.  My 3 year old Galaxy Nexus phone has 32GB, and it seems like that's still near the high end for most phones.  Only the iPhone 6 and a handful of others have more.  You'd think by now every phone would have at least 256GB.  The push to the cloud is just an excuse so manufacturers can skimp on hardware.  :(
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Re: On being too nostalgic: Tony Fadell mentions Amiga
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2014, 03:58:59 PM »
That is a funny way to look at the future. Perhaps computers will run everything with no people involved.
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Re: On being too nostalgic: Tony Fadell mentions Amiga
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2014, 05:17:18 PM »
>when you buy songs on iTunes you don't have to sync them to your iPod

I think you mean "if" not "when". (Why buy songs there, that seems a very expensive way to do it when they are freely downloadable elsewhere...) The part about syncing effectively means, basically, that it doesn't actually give you the file (ie. download it to your device) until you play it. You just have, effectively, the right to download it. Which means that you would have to make sure you have an Internet connection available when you play it (as well as when you bought it), and would also have to wait for it to download before you could play it. That doesn't seem advantageous.

>You get a cheaper and more rugged device and when you buy songs on iTunes you don't have to sync them to your iPod. Walking around with a magnetic hard disk that will die if you shake it too much or some immensely expensive flash based device that you have to manually sync with a PC, is just not attractive to modern users.

iPhones are about the least rugged devices out there, a drop of approximately one foot is sufficient to break the screen and render it unusable. That seems to be the most likely point of failure, the ruggedness of the storage is secondary.

>And guess what? If you connect to a friend's computer, you can still listen to your music by connecting to the cloud... even though he doesn't have a copy of your music.

If you have all your files on your device there is no need to use the cloud. You could copy all the songs from your device to your friend's device, and vice versa, faster than downloading them all from a cloud account (not to mention data caps). Cloud-based storage might be useful for backing up unimportant files to, but another hard disk would generally be better for various reasons (cost, speed, security, etc.).
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Re: On being too nostalgic: Tony Fadell mentions Amiga
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2014, 06:12:40 PM »
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>when you buy songs on iTunes you don't have to sync them to your iPod
 
I think you mean "if" not "when". (Why buy songs there, that seems a very expensive way to do it when they are freely downloadable elsewhere...) The part about syncing effectively means, basically, that it doesn't actually give you the file (ie. download it to your device) until you play it. You just have, effectively, the right to download it. Which means that you would have to make sure you have an Internet connection available when you play it (as well as when you bought it), and would also have to wait for it to download before you could play it. That doesn't seem advantageous.
 
>You get a cheaper and more rugged device and when you buy songs on iTunes you don't have to sync them to your iPod. Walking around with a magnetic hard disk that will die if you shake it too much or some immensely expensive flash based device that you have to manually sync with a PC, is just not attractive to modern users.
 
iPhones are about the least rugged devices out there, a drop of approximately one foot is sufficient to break the screen and render it unusable. That seems to be the most likely point of failure, the ruggedness of the storage is secondary.
 
>And guess what? If you connect to a friend's computer, you can still listen to your music by connecting to the cloud... even though he doesn't have a copy of your music.
 
If you have all your files on your device there is no need to use the cloud. You could copy all the songs from your device to your friend's device, and vice versa, faster than downloading them all from a cloud account (not to mention data caps). Cloud-based storage might be useful for backing up unimportant files to, but another hard disk would generally be better for various reasons (cost, speed, security, etc.).

I have dropped my iphone loads of times form 4ft or more, still in one piece.  Most modern phones are not ruggard.  The samsungs are terrible. Its not just iphones
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Re: On being too nostalgic: Tony Fadell mentions Amiga
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2014, 06:50:44 PM »
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There are 7 billion people in the world, so there's no reason why we have a nice new Amiga like platform come back with 5-10 million people. ;-)
The problem with that is that Amiga started out as a hardware platform. How on earth are you going to do something in the spirit of the Amiga in today's world? You probably aren't, and certainly not on a small budget.
 

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Re: On being too nostalgic: Tony Fadell mentions Amiga
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2014, 08:01:27 PM »
Why is importat the opinion of this guy? he just made a mp3 player.
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Re: On being too nostalgic: Tony Fadell mentions Amiga
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2014, 09:54:42 AM »
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iPhones are about the least rugged devices out there, a drop of approximately one foot is sufficient to break the screen and render it unusable. That seems to be the most likely point of failure, the ruggedness of the storage is secondary.

A hard disk will fail before an iPhone screen is dropped. But if you do kill your iPhone then at least you just buy a new one and type your details in and all your music is back again.

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If you have all your files on your device there is no need to use the cloud. You could copy all the songs from your device to your friend's device, and vice versa, faster than downloading them all from a cloud account (not to mention data caps). Cloud-based storage might be useful for backing up unimportant files to, but another hard disk would generally be better for various reasons (cost, speed, security, etc.).

So every time you buy music you have to go to your friends house to back it up? Music is unimportant, you got the copy from them in the first place and they'll give you the same one again. The only important thing is to keep track that you bought it.

I don't use it myself, but I understand why people love it enough to pay for it.

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I think you mean "if" not "when". (Why buy songs there, that seems a very expensive way to do it when they are freely downloadable elsewhere...)

Illegally downloading music isn't free. It takes time, electricity, bandwidth etc. You should treat it like a job, with the cost of the music minus your expenses as the pay. If you can make more money doing something else then buying the music is cheaper, which for a lot of people it is.
 

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Re: On being too nostalgic: Tony Fadell mentions Amiga
« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2014, 01:41:10 PM »
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Why is importat the opinion of this guy? he just made a mp3 player.


What made it special was the simplicity and usability.

I still recall the posts on this site about the iPad thinking it was another Tablet PC:

-  "LOL Another Tablet PC, but even worse it doesn't have a KEYBOARD"
-  "I can just see someone coding on this or typing up a document or photo-editing"

Didn't seem to occur to people that the iPad is a content-consumption device, and touch interface changes the way the thing is used.
 

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Re: On being too nostalgic: Tony Fadell mentions Amiga
« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2014, 02:41:02 PM »
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Why is importat the opinion of this guy? he just made a mp3 player.
Maybe because it was great? And the first easy to use player? Maybe because it was a huge commercial success? He did what Commodore failed to do: sell to the mass.
 

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Re: On being too nostalgic: Tony Fadell mentions Amiga
« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2014, 02:52:19 PM »
Unless Tony has personally owned and enjoyed an Amiga he should refrain from commenting on it. Doubt he ever had once since he grouped it with the C64 in his comnent. The iPod was cool but it's no Amiga.
 

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Re: On being too nostalgic: Tony Fadell mentions Amiga
« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2014, 08:18:27 PM »
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Were there? Such as what? I had a Diamond Rio mp3 player that held 64mb of songs, 2 albums at crap quality, AA batteries, a parallel port interface and fiddly UI. Then the iPod came long with 5GB, firewire, rechargeable battery and the scroll wheel control, it was streets ahead of anything else I saw before 2001.

 I will tell you what was better, my Sony Minidisc player it would and still will knock spots off the other crap for shear quality ,granted there were many problems which Sony should have sorted, but still the best by a mile.
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Re: On being too nostalgic: Tony Fadell mentions Amiga
« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2014, 06:24:59 AM »
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The problem with that is that Amiga started out as a hardware platform. How on earth are you going to do something in the spirit of the Amiga in today's world? You probably aren't, and certainly not on a small budget.


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Re: On being too nostalgic: Tony Fadell mentions Amiga
« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2014, 09:37:34 AM »
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Raspberry Pi is doing OK.
Amiga "spirit" is selling an over priced outdated and huge motherboard with a non finished closed source OS (why opening it?) for $2000+ ;)

It has really nothing to do with the Pi which is $35 an outdated (but not meant to be kick ass) tiny board with a non-finished (hardware accel was missing for X11,...) open source OS...

If the guys at the head of Pi were giving an interview, I guess you could listen to them as much as you could listen to Tony even though they may never have used an Amiga.