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Sound crackling and loss A4000
« on: May 14, 2014, 01:24:15 PM »
my A4000 has recently started to develop crackly sound and loss of sound on the R audio output.

This motherboard was repaired after battery damage years ago and has been flawless since.

If it son for about half an hour the crackling disappears and the sound returns, but then the problem returns

Anyone have any suggestions?
 

Offline spirantho

Re: Sound crackling and loss A4000
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2014, 02:29:50 PM »
One word:

Capacitors!
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Re: Sound crackling and loss A4000
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2014, 03:11:49 PM »
The caps were apparantly done when I had the battery leakage repaired.

OK Can you point me to which caps and where?
 

Offline danbeaver

Re: Sound crackling and loss A4000
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2014, 05:35:14 PM »
I would look to the two capacitors just behind the RCA audio output ports on the left rear corner of the motherboard.
 

Offline Castellen

Re: Sound crackling and loss A4000
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2014, 09:13:39 PM »
More to the point, leaking electrolytic capacitors cause corrosion which damages ICs and tracks/vias.  If the capacitors were replaced and the corrosion is not cleaned up correctly, there can be ongoing problems.

So you'll be looking for damaged tracks causing a missing power supply or incorrect bias in the audio stage.  And/or possibly replacing U402.

I've written a guide on everything you need to know on the subject of A4000 audio stage repair:
http://amiga.serveftp.net/audio_repair.html
 

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Re: Sound crackling and loss A4000
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2014, 01:49:23 AM »
@castellen: PM message sent
 

Offline spirantho

Re: Sound crackling and loss A4000
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2014, 09:00:49 AM »
I'd have thought crackling audio which sometimes works is more likely to be a capacitor than a damaged track - which would normally just be audio on or off. Anything's possible, of course, but I still think those audio caps are bad, so I'd change them first even if they look fine (they usually look fine - even the dead ones).
Anyway, you need to remove the caps to find out whether the tracks beneath are bad :)
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Offline danbeaver

Re: Sound crackling and loss A4000
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2014, 07:16:38 PM »
And Castellen is just the guy to do that and a whole lot more.  See his website (Vide Supra).
 

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Re: Sound crackling and loss A4000
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2014, 09:21:10 PM »
Quote from: spirantho;764462
I'd have thought crackling audio which sometimes works is more likely to be a capacitor than a damaged track - which would normally just be audio on or off.



This is unlikely given the roles of the electrolytic capacitors in the circuit; which are AC decoupling on the supply lines (i.e. removing noise on the DC supply) and in the case of the 22µF ones, they provide AC coupling - essentially separating the DC bias of the op-amps from the audio to the output jacks.  In this application, capacitors are an open circuit to DC and a short circuit to AC.  And because of the very short short time constants involved (the audio frequency changes much faster than the capacitor can charge/discharge), then no, you don't need to use non-polarised capacitors or anything stupid which some people dream up for reasons unknown.

When capacitors leak, they usually don't stop working, it's often a reduction in capacitance; meaning the circuit will still mostly work normally.  The leaking is caused by the internal liquid electrolyte becoming unstable over time.

What happens in reality is that the capacitors leak as everyone knows, which often damages something like the -12V supply to one or both op-amps by corroding a track or via open circuit.  So instead of the op-amp supply being connected normally to +12V and -12V, it's then connected to +12V and nothing.  What this means is that the negative-going output half of the AC waveform can't be correctly produced by the op-amp.  Also it tends to ruin the DC bias of the whole IC.  As a result, parts of the audio output waveform become clipped (missing), which users interpret as "crackling".  Which is something I like on my pork roasts.