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Re: A1000 & ks
« Reply #14 from previous page: June 17, 2013, 12:26:08 AM »
Is that the thing to load it into some of your RAM?
We did that to run 2.0 when we really only had 1.3 ROMS.
but you lose some of your RAM.
Dirty pirates we are.. I later got it though.
 

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Re: A1000 & ks
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2013, 12:37:18 AM »
Quote from: NorthWay;738061
http://aminet.net/package/docs/hard/512kWOM

Thank you for that link! I guess you will loose 256KB of RAM to make up for the lack of WOM?
 

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Re: A1000 & ks
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2013, 01:27:03 AM »
@Art

The kickstart "hand" image is definitely in there but is most likely compressed. Looking at the picture it would be a good candidate for run-length encoding and also may be coded in a lower resolution than even 320x200 (e.g. just output the same colour for two pixels instead of one). Most of the screen itself is likely to just be a background colour that doesn't require a bitmap. The bitmap itself is centred where the pic is.
 

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Re: A1000 & ks
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2013, 03:11:10 AM »
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@Art

The kickstart "hand" image is definitely in there but is most likely compressed. Looking at the picture it would be a good candidate for run-length encoding and also may be coded in a lower resolution than even 320x200 (e.g. just output the same colour for two pixels instead of one). Most of the screen itself is likely to just be a background colour that doesn't require a bitmap. The bitmap itself is centred where the pic is.

It isn't compressed in the V1.3 ROM image, but I think it is in the 8K bootstrap.
In the V1.3 image it is split into tiles all over the place.
It looks as if deliberately making it difficult to change.
It is also more than one bitmap.
I suspect up to four layers for some parts of it, but at least two.
The part where is says "Amiga" for example, is at least two layers
(maybe for some antialiasing?),
One layer of the "1" in "1.3" (for the Workbench requester)
is all on it's own, and so is one layer of the "bench", and one layer of the "Work".

I'm willing to bet this image has never been customised.

The actual hand and disk might be drawn the way you say.
 

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Re: A1000 & ks
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2013, 03:26:20 AM »


The green ones in this image I have verified by changing them and reloading Workbench.
 

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Re: A1000 & ks
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2013, 03:26:24 AM »
Hmmm. Interesting. Seems kind of a weird way to go about it. Maybe they were deliberately making it difficult.

As for whether the hand and disk are drawn that way; I was just guessing. Your original comment got me wondering...
 

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Re: A1000 & ks
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2013, 04:52:54 AM »
There might be reasons why they wanted some program code to be sequential,
and some of it to begin at even addresses in the ROM, and just used the
fragments left for imagery...
or they might have been trying to be difficult,
giving someone in the year 2013 a headache! :D
 

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Re: A1000 & ks
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2013, 05:55:19 AM »
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Big fan of Kickstart on disk and one of the great alluring features of the A1000. In fact, BITD, I thought it stupid C= even considering placing it in ROM. Especially when you were an early adopter and/or were aware of the changes to come so early on. None of Commodore's machines made it particularly easy for the end user to swap ROMS (especially in an A2000!), so in the relatively short time of 1.1 to 1.2 to 1.3 and 2.x... was ridiculous all the changes there for a while. Should have kept it on floppy or made it a helluva lot easier to swap the ROM, such as through a trap door, side plane, whatever.

BTW: all my original DS/DD Kickstart disks still work after all these years. In fact, even with all the horse trading, buying and selling I've done, have yet to run across a bad original Kickstart disk.

+1 always kick my kick disk in my df0 and my 1000 boots up from my extrenal scsi drive.  FWIW, all my original disks work fine and I love the sound of the drive singing before the scsi drive takes her to WB:biglaugh::cool:
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Re: A1000 & ks
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2013, 06:33:28 AM »
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+1 always kick my kick disk in my df0 and my 1000 boots up from my extrenal scsi drive.  FWIW, all my original disks work fine and I love the sound of the drive singing before the scsi drive takes her to WB:biglaugh::cool:

Great!

Could someone do me a favour, and take a worn disk such as all your Kickstart disks :D :D :D
and measure (with a ruler), the radius of the disk that is actually
read by the head.. it must be a little smaller than the opening in the shutter.

Be sure it's not a metal ruler that has become magnetised.

It probably sounds odd... but I don't have a floppy disk. I'll tell you why later :)
 

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Re: A1000 & ks
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2013, 09:49:59 AM »
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Thank you for that link! I guess you will loose 256KB of RAM to make up for the lack of WOM?


Did you read the description? Among the parts needed are memory chips for another 256K, making the WOM 512K in size. You still boot from your kickdisk, only now you can use both 1.x and all recent verions.
 

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Re: A1000 & ks
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2013, 01:53:50 PM »
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Did you read the description?
Honestly? No, I didn't. Can't open LHA files. Will deal with it tomorrow. Promise!
 

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Re: A1000 & ks
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2013, 01:49:16 AM »
I've read it now. Seems to be a lot of HW hacking. I'm not that desperat to use KS2.x with my A1000 anyway. But still interesting to see the creativity in the Amiga community!