Super Keyboard Steal!!!

[ChaosLord]

Bonus - they will do custom key layout as well (for those amiga key ppl).  

What does "custom key layout" mean?  Your Amiga keys have Amiga symbol on them?

Back in 2003 I looked into buying buckling spring keyboard but I couldn't find any that had Amiga keys.  The Amiga keys did not exist.  There was just a hole there.  Maybe I didn't look long enough or something.  But anwayz the trouble with Buckling springs is just they take huge amount of force: 70-90g and are super duper noisy.  If u have a wife u will be dead within 30 days :lol:

[Thorham]

The trouble with Omnikey keyboards is you have to apply a huge amount of force on each key to get it to register: nearly 70g

I have a Cherry Black keyboard and have absolutely no problem with this 'huge force' :p And no, I'm not ham fisted.

Cherry Red only requires 45g

Some people like the extra force of the other swithces, which is one of the reasons why there are four Cherry switches: One size does NOT fit all.

There is no reason to place extra force on your tendons, it just speeds up getting tendonitis or Carpal Tunnel Syndrome.

Not everyone gets that.

A proper keyboard would give you 8-12mm before crashing.

That's what YOU think is proper. There are many people who don't care and who don't have any problems.

Stop presenting your own preferences and needs as being universally applicable to everyone, because it makes no sense: Some people like peanut butter, while others hate the stuff

[ChaosLord]

I have a Cherry Black keyboard and have absolutely no problem with this 'huge force' :p And no, I'm not ham fisted.

Neither did I.  I used Cherry Black for many years.  It used to be the best thing going.  Nevertheless I recognized that it was wasting huge of amounts of energy for nothing.  But I had to wait decades for Cherry Reds to be invented.

Some people like the extra force of the other swithces, which is one of the reasons why there are four Cherry switches: One size does NOT fit all.

Some ppl like the extra flavor of the other cigarettes, which is one of the reasons why there are four brands of cigarettes: One size does NOT fit all.

But how many of those are healthy for you?

Not everyone gets that.

Not everyone gets throat cancer from smoking.

That's what YOU think is proper. There are many people who don't care and who don't have any problems.

Smoke inhalation: There are many people who don't care and who don't have any problems.

Stop presenting your own preferences and needs as being universally applicable to everyone, because it makes no sense: Some people like peanut butter, while others hate the stuff

For most ppl, peanut butter is not harmful.

For everyone, inhaling smoke particles is harmful
For everyone, impacts are harmful.
For everyone, wasted energy is wasted energy.
Saving energy is a universally desirable goal when performing work.
Staying healthy is a universally desirable goal.

[Thorham]

Nevertheless I recognized that it was wasting huge of amounts of energy for nothing.

The difference in energy usage is probably very small, and certainly not something I'm going to worry about. In fact, using energy through physical activity is a good thing.

Some ppl like the extra flavor of the other cigarettes, which is one of the reasons why there are four brands of cigarettes: One size does NOT fit all.

But how many of those are healthy for you?

Cigarettes are never healthy for you, extra flavors or not.

For most ppl, peanut butter is not harmful.

That's not the point. The point is that different people like and prefer different things. Take computer mice: Some like them heavy, some like them light and some don't care.

For everyone, impacts are harmful.

I don't see how the minuscule impacts from typing are harmful at all.

For everyone, wasted energy is wasted energy.

Having to use a tiny amount of extra force when typing isn't a waste of energy. I mean, how much extra energy are we talking about? 100 KCal? Big deal.

Saving energy is a universally desirable goal when performing work.

Then use a touch screen based keyboard. No force required at all

Staying healthy is a universally desirable goal.

If health is such a concern for you, then you should be looking at ergonomically shaped keyboards, because the way your hands are positioned is probably more important than the small amount of force required to press a key.

Really, I like my Cherry Black keyboard and don't care at all about how much force is required to press down the keys. I have no computer related health issues at all, never had and probably never will. If I want to do something about my health, then I'll stop smoking, start eating healthier and get some regular exercise. This will have a lot more impact than worrying about minuscule amounts of force and minuscule impacts.

Can everyone just use the equipment they're most comfortable with, without saying how it's best for everyone? Thanks

[barney]

The trouble with Omnikey keyboards is you have to apply a huge amount of force on each key to get it to register: nearly 70g

Cherry Red only requires 45g

There is no reason to place extra force on your tendons, it just speeds up getting tendonitis or Carpal Tunnel Syndrome.

Omnikey only gives you 3.5mm before you crash.
Cherry Red gives you 4mm before you crash.

A proper keyboard would give you 8-12mm before crashing.

A person needs more travel, not less.  All those impacts are very bad for your body.

I totally disagree with your comment about the Omnikey.  It has by far one of the easiest key depress ever made.  The white alp switches give way extremely easily.  Especially the older they get, the smoother they get.  The older Model M keyboard on the other hand does have that problem.  The springs were so damn stiff from the late 80's to the early 90's, my hands got dead tired.  Once Lexmark took over operation, It seemed to me the keys were easier to press.

[TheBilgeRat]

I totally disagree with your comment about the Omnikey.  It has by far one of the easiest key depress ever made.  The white alp switches give way extremely easily.  Especially the older they get, the smoother they get.  The older Model M keyboard on the other hand does have that problem.  The springs were so damn stiff from the late 80's to the early 90's, my hands got dead tired.  Once Lexmark took over operation, It seemed to me the keys were easier to press.

Alps can be great switches, and some people prefer them over the cherrys.

I would avoid the hunt for a quality used keyboard, however, when there are wonderful new equivalents (with guarantees and warranties), unless that is your thing

[persia]

Some ppl like the extra flavor of the other cigarettes, which is one of the reasons why there are four brands of cigarettes: One size does NOT fit all.

Remember in the bad old days, before people knew about cancer and cigarettes, there used to be hundreds of brands.

[persia]

That's not the point. The point is that different people like and prefer different things. Take computer mice: Some like them heavy, some like them light and some don't care.

And a fair number of people don't use mice at all, which is different from a keyboard.  I don't really care for mice, I find a trackpad far easier and better.

[barney]

Alps can be great switches, and some people prefer them over the cherrys.

I would avoid the hunt for a quality used keyboard, however, when there are wonderful new equivalents (with guarantees and warranties), unless that is your thing

Sometimes, used is the best way to go.  Today's stuff is usually "garbage".  There may be 1 or 2 good keyboards out there but most of it is crap.  I was lucky and found a brand new Omnikey 102 on ebay.  Since then, I bought 4 others as backups.  I know it's overkill since a new omnikey can last a good 15 or more years.

[ChaosLord]

I totally disagree with your comment about the Omnikey.  It has by far one of the easiest key depress ever made.  The white alp switches give way extremely easily.  Especially the older they get, the smoother they get.  

I found force graphs yesterday for all the Alps switches.  It showed them as being fairly high force.  I have spent an hour trying to find them today and I couldn't locate them.  All I found was this which is basically what the force graphs said but not exactly since in the force graph there is a hump in the force before you actuate the key:
http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/mechanical-keyboard-guide/11330#post_12658631

[Iggy]

Alps can be great switches, and some people prefer them over the cherrys.

There's one of my favorites.

But honestly, I'll take anything with tactile feedback.

I'm running out of old IBM keyboards.