Who owns the copyrights to Workbench/AmigaOS?

[psxphill]

I just think it's silly that it's illegal to spread them for emulating purposes for us users even more when they are so easy obtainable.

There are many things that are easily obtainable but illegal. That isn't one of the considerations when making a law.

[wawrzon]

Wait what? I do not moan about it since we all can get them if we want for free from many online sources or dump our own. I just think it's silly that it's illegal to spread them for emulating purposes for us users even more when they are so easy obtainable.
I do not believe that spreading them freely would hurt cloanto since at least the people I know who bought Amiga forever didn't buy it for the kickstart roms but for the DVDs and hassle free emulation.

A user of WHDLoad might not need the complete package or users who set up their own emu environment etc so at least let people buy only the roms or let them be free, also as far as I know they do not ship all kickstarts from all amigas and thus you still need to obtain a complete dump set illegally if yo want/need them all.

Also believe me, if I had time to help the aros team I would in any way I could. I got loads on my plate and to little time and my boss are not keen on me doing private work when I'm at work.

cloanto has even contributed considerably to aros kickstart replacement bounty:
http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/5
so its certainly not their intention to charge people for the roms. likely they are conttractualy obliged not to give them avay for free, perhaps they have to pay their share themselves.

what concerns supporting aros, we all have real life, we users same as also aros developers (who work free of charge). it isnt fair to demand things like free amiga, but refuse to help with a slightest thing. none needs to take more load that he cant carry. but even slight help as just using a system and providing educated feedback is contributing to an open and future proof platform.

[k4lmp]

I am also a classic Apple user, I have a couple of Apple //e's and an Apple IIgs.  I also mess around with a couple of G4 Macs and a G3 Mac that I have.  Apple has a bunch of stuff on their website for the old Apple computers, including operating systems, available for free download.  From what I see, the only reason they put them on their servers is for people like me who like older computers to use.  This is a great gesture, I think, and would tend to make me show support for their company.  Maybe some other companies should follow suit with KS & WB.  Just a though.  

[wawrzon]

what companies? after all the years you still expect integrity from amiga companies? a.inc? hyperion who likely have the same contractual obligations as cloanto and likely must pay licences they sell? otherwise they provide the uae kickstart-files with their os4. you must only buy the os..

so what do you people want? it reminds me those who demand os4 to run on x86. where as there is amigaos for regular pcs. its aros. but then they claim: "its not amiga!" or it doesnt run 68k apps without uae or doesnt run os4 software, whatever it is. well, if os4 was running on x86 it would have the same handicaps.

aros68k kickstart is in many ways better than original, help to make it perfect instead to demand the impossible year after year. isnt it more fun to contribute to common good "amiga" than wait for others to deliver you something you might not exactly want?

[som99]

cloanto has even contributed considerably to aros kickstart replacement bounty:
http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/5
so its certainly not their intention to charge people for the roms. likely they are conttractualy obliged not to give them avay for free, perhaps they have to pay their share themselves.

what concerns supporting aros, we all have real life, we users same as also aros developers (who work free of charge). it isnt fair to demand things like free amiga, but refuse to help with a slightest thing. none needs to take more load that he cant carry. but even slight help as just using a system and providing educated feedback is contributing to an open and future proof platform.

I did not know that Cloanto contributed to the development of the AROS kickstart neither that they probably pay a share.
So if that's the case I apologize and take back the free part. Tho I would still like to see them sell only the roms without AF for the ones who wants them.

Why you bring up AROS on me I do not know, I never said I was demanding a AROS kickstart for free and done right now from them, I never demanded anything from them, hell I would even pay for it if it had cost money also if they had a donor system on they page I would gladly pitch in money now and then without doubt since I love what they are doing.

As for contribution, since I do not use AROS right now and have not for some time because of a shortage of spare time I have nothing useful to contribute to them, I have most of my spare time filled by my own projects and I help here and there when I can, I will give feedback to the AROS devs when I have time to use AROS again in the future and I am following the development of the 68K port as much as I can.

I am tho currently exchanging words with a old dev of an excellent old x86 RPG and talking bout price to buy the source from him to start working on a port for 68K AmigaOS and if I am allowed the source will be released to the Amiga public and AROS/MorphOS/AOS4.x might see a port in the future also and this is something I will pay for my self and not charge anyone for and release for free if me and the devs can agree on a price.

[wawrzon]

i dont demand anything from you. and you dont  *have* to conribute nor pay for anything. aros is fro free to use. you can support bounties but its your choice, not a requirement. if i bring aros, thats because i see it as the only solution to having free upgradeable amiga system, be it on x86, ppc, arm, uae or original 68k amiga. the awareness of this fact is too low, or it is being ignored for no reason. the solutions are at hand. thats all.

[bloodline]

i dont demand anything from you. and you dont  *have* to conribute nor pay for anything. aros is fro free to use. you can support bounties but its your choice, not a requirement. if i bring aros, thats because i see it as the only solution to having free upgradeable amiga system, be it on x86, ppc, arm, uae or original 68k amiga. the awareness of this fact is too low, or it is being ignored for no reason. the solutions are at hand. thats all.

I agree, with UAE (and the FPGA clones) and AROS68k, there is no need or value in the original Amiga IP.