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The Big Uae-Jit Blog
« on: July 03, 2011, 06:50:29 PM »
News from TearsofMe via amigaworld.net

A little status update from the UAE-Jit front:

The Big Uae Jit Blog
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Re: The Big Uae-Jit Blog
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2011, 06:57:24 PM »
Cool...

Is there still some place where I can donate to that cause, or has that passed?
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Re: The Big Uae-Jit Blog
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2011, 07:11:59 PM »
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Re: The Big Uae-Jit Blog
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2011, 07:36:31 PM »
Cool, meager donation made, perhaps I'll add more after paying my bills off.
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Re: The Big Uae-Jit Blog
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2011, 11:48:36 PM »
Wow, a version of UAE worth using on PPC platforms.
Running this under AOS4 or MorphOS should provide that last bit of needed legacy compatibility.
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Re: The Big Uae-Jit Blog
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2011, 01:27:49 AM »
That is what I'm hoping for. It really really pains me that the only present way to really enjoy Amiga emulation (as blasphemous as that is) is via Windows. With JIT we should have that speed boost necessary to run a virtual Amiga environment at speeds that surpass our real Amigas. Hopefully some time after this is finished, someone will come along and add internet support to UAE as well. Another thing the WinUAE guys can hold over us... :/
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Re: The Big Uae-Jit Blog
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2011, 01:45:55 AM »
Quote from: XDelusion;648111
That is what I'm hoping for. It really really pains me that the only present way to really enjoy Amiga emulation (as blasphemous as that is) is via Windows. With JIT we should have that speed boost necessary to run a virtual Amiga environment at speeds that surpass our real Amigas. Hopefully some time after this is finished, someone will come along and add internet support to UAE as well. Another thing the WinUAE guys can hold over us... :/

Well, outside of UAE we can always run OWB. What's always bugged me about running WinUAE is moving from Amiga legacy packages back into something startlingly dissimilar (the Windows environment).
I'm glad someone else here gets why this is an important development.
With this I'll no longer require a legacy Amiga or a PC and you're right it should be much faster.
Very cool stuff indeed.
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Re: The Big Uae-Jit Blog
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2011, 02:30:57 AM »
Quote from: XDelusion;648111
That is what I'm hoping for. It really really pains me that the only present way to really enjoy Amiga emulation (as blasphemous as that is) is via Windows. With JIT we should have that speed boost necessary to run a virtual Amiga environment at speeds that surpass our real Amigas. Hopefully some time after this is finished, someone will come along and add internet support to UAE as well. Another thing the WinUAE guys can hold over us... :/


I know youve had some issues with it, but AROS x86 uae/euae/j-uae has had jit for many years. Unfortunately an ATOM is very weak so results still arent great (probably something akin to what sam users will end up with once jit is enabled). Try AROS euae on anything intended for the desktop and aros uae runs very nicely. Not as well as Winuae, but far, far in excess of the other "amiga" options currently. I currently usee janus UAE on AROS to suppliment my 40mhz '040 a1200, as it runs much, much faster and the extra speed comes in handy sometimes.

@thread

I was, and still am quite happy to see this. Finally a good 90%+ of things should run acceptably in uae for ppc ppl, which is obviously a big thing for a decent chunk of the amiga world (even winuae on machines 5x or more as fast as the fastest ppc machines occasionally needs more grunt (yes it does, I've been using it for a good 15 years, please dont suggest I need to configure it correctly))
Despite this though, is it just me, or does that blog contain lots of words to say allmost nothing? :)   Oodles of text that couldve been written in a sentence, "had trouble with cross compilers so I wrote some test code" pretty much covers it all :)
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Re: The Big Uae-Jit Blog
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2011, 12:19:04 AM »
Heh, I bought an eMac to get into MorphOS cheaply and an Aspire One to get into AROS cheaply, and now I'm wishing I'd saved back a little for both. Mind you, MorphOS FLIES on anything you put it on, especially those old classic apps that don't make direct calls to the hardware, but the eMac has VERY dark screens, low volume, and a meager 32Mb of GFX RAM, which I thought would be more than enough considering that my real Amiga can get by on 2Mb, but apparently I was wwwaaaayyyyy wrong.

Needless to say I'm considering buying a Power Mac Tower, or a Mini Mac with 64Mb GFX RAM, not sure which yet. Also the Aspire One may well go on sell as soon as the AROS community comes together and finds a more suitable Laptop to support.

What caused them to put so much time and energy into the Aspire One in the first place?
 I was going by clusteruk's videos on Youtube which made it look like it would actually be a smooth and fun experience, quite contrary to what I've experience, but on the other hand I can now at least see AROS' potential for the first time and can say I've become a believer.
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Re: The Big Uae-Jit Blog
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2011, 02:36:18 AM »
There was no particular effort put into aspre ones. Its mostly just a coincidence that its made up of supported hardware. On top of this 2 of the more vocal AROS followers have them so you'd have heard them "promote" them (for lack of a better word). Personally Id never touch an Atom processor for use with AROS. Being that the only thing making them competitive with even a 1ghz p3 is thier ability to run 2 threads (HT), and that AROS doesnt support this youre left with the raw grunt of something akin to a 733mhz celeron (significantly slower than a g3 even). Sure, it works, and the OS runs nicely on it, but theres simply not enough grunt and you'll be left wanting for a lot of software.

Ive seen the aspire ones referred to as the a1200 of AROS, but a600 is a better parallel.
Fast enough to run run the OS nicely, but you'll really need to be pick selectively with software and you'll need to make compromises.
Running on an atom vs. pretty much any other x86 hardware in the last 10 years will be like chalk and cheese.
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Re: The Big Uae-Jit Blog
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2011, 02:55:09 AM »
Hey now, take it easy on my 1200 and 600 there buddy! ;)

I'd like to compare my experience to being more akin to running OS 3.9 on an Amiga 500 with 512k or RAM.

Of course this is not a slam towards the AROS community, it's just as slam towards Acer. I should have known better....

On the other hand, running that new AspireOS AROS disto on it has had it's charm, and it does show some of the benefits of running AROS over Linux or Windows in that if you put either of them on the Aspire One, your system will let you know time and time again that even the simple act of opening Notepad is a task and a half for it, where as my experience running things like the various Paint packages, OWB, etc. on here via AROS has been over all pleasant. It's just those more system intensive things like Quake, UAE, and (oh God) Mame on there that really tell me I bought the wrong hardware.

That's it, it is settled, before this month is over, I'm going to find my self a nice AROS laptop that is well supported and does not have a crappy processor on it.

Thankx for explaining things to me.
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Re: The Big Uae-Jit Blog
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2011, 04:05:21 AM »
@ XDelusion

Yeah, you want a 128MB video card for MorphOS. 64MB is adequate, but with 32MB you're going to have some limitations.
When G4 Powerbook support is introduced, a 1.67Ghz Powerbook with 64MB Radeon9700 video would be nice.
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