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BVision setup - It's been a while
« on: December 12, 2010, 03:04:10 PM »
Guys,
 
Firstly I can only apologies for my shame and ebarrassment here.
 
I've had 2 BVision + PPC combos in my history, one originally in 1997/98 (got the PPC first, added the gfx card later) and again later in 2002-2004.
 
I have to say that back then I was much more up with the Amiga community and knew everything I needed to know such as which Setpatch versions to use etc.
 
I sold my Bvision and PPC card in 2004, and have recently acquired another pair for my A1200T.
 
Although I recall the Bvision being a little tricky to setup, I've never had any major issues with it and so I've done a clean install of 3.1/3.5/3.9 and CGX4 from the CD.  I've tried all the versions of WB to see if It was a conflict, but the reality is that all of them recognise the card fine, and get to the same point where the system is stable, it's just I can't get any output recognised on my LCD screens.
 
I recognise the issues I'm having as I remember bumping into them before, but the main issues I'm having now is that it recognises the "CVisionPPC" (I remember I changed this somehow last time I owned one so that it had the correct BVision recognition) but when I test out any screenmodes, they are all "out of range" for any of my monitors.
 
Appreciate it might simply be that I need to use a different monitor, but I would have thought I'd get something out of the BVision. The monitors I've used so far are my LG1915s with a max refresh rate of 75, and my Sony TV with it's PC VGA connection, which should be able to display upto 60Hz with 1024x768 no problems (It does this from the PC). I've even tried really low resolutions with low frequencies to simply get a result, but alas even those are showing as Out Of Range.
 
Is it possible that LCD monitors aren't happy with the output of the Bvision? I would have thought they would still be able to be setup, but maybe they use different settings?
 
 
I've had a look at a few threads on here but most seem to focus on not registering the card or screenmodes. I can see the screenmodes, I just can't get any to display and have to press escape to get back to the AGA output.
 
Any ideas what I'm doing wrong guys?
 
Also, I was wondering if anyone knew of a good search string for these issues, as when I search for BVision or CVision or CGX it doesn't yield many results, but a few strings I've found through Google seem to refer to previous threads being posted.
 
 
Appreciate any help you can give guys!
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Re: BVision setup - It's been a while
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2010, 03:19:01 PM »
I'm using the BPPC + BVision combo, and when I for one reason have to reinstall I first install the CGX4 software from CD without choosing any graphics card driver and then install one of the latest CGX4 updates from here and choosing a BVision graphics card during installation.

When setting up the screen modes on my flatscreen monitor, I have to pick a VESA resolution when editing the resolution, in order for it to display the test screen correctly.

A tip, get the latest 680x0 libraries from the website mentioned above as well.
 

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Re: BVision setup - It's been a while
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2010, 03:28:34 PM »
Excellent tip buddy, cheers for that, I didn't know there was any sites left with Phase5 software dumps!  I'd been scouring Aminet and only found bits.
 
Cheers mate I'll give that a try.
 

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Re: BVision setup - It's been a while
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2010, 03:31:16 PM »
>A tip, get the latest 680x0 libraries from the website mentioned above as well.

No, 68040.library (or 68060.library) is in the BlizzardPPC's firmware !

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Re: BVision setup - It's been a while
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2010, 03:36:28 PM »
Maybe, but nevertheless it might be a wise choice to download them anyway, as you don't know anything of his firmware revision.
 

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Re: BVision setup - It's been a while
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2010, 04:05:40 PM »
68040.library (or 68060.library) is in the firmware since the begining of the BlizzardPPC as far I know...

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Re: BVision setup - It's been a while
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2010, 04:28:06 PM »
Yes, the library is in the firmware, but the OP doesn't post which version of the firmware that is installed on the card he is using, so if he hasn't flashed the card with the latest firmware, there is a chance that the firmware libraries are older than the ones found on the website.

Since the firmware libraries can be disabled through software, it is my opinion that it would be wise to download the latest libraries, when visiting the site anyway. I never said it was mandatory to download them.
 

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Re: BVision setup - It's been a while
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2010, 04:40:21 PM »
>Since the firmware libraries can be disabled through software

680x0.library can be disabled by software ?? How ??

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Re: BVision setup - It's been a while
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2010, 04:44:55 PM »
BlizKick and BPPCFixFix
 

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Re: BVision setup - It's been a while
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2010, 06:48:59 PM »
- install cgx4 from cd (dont select any gfxcard yet!)
- install cgx4.3 rc5 update (tick the Bvision option, use default tooltypes)
Thats all you need to do software-wise.
The most obvious answer would be that you didnt set up your monitor the way you should. Look up its specs and choose the right one when installing CGX.
If you still dont get any output, try holding escape while booting. Do you get output (bootmenu) now? Then at least that mode is working. (though this also depends on your flashupdate). If Im not mistaken you can use this resolution in workbench and then use cgxmode to set up other display modes.
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Re: BVision setup - It's been a while
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2010, 07:27:23 PM »
In the past i've run into the same problems with you m8. The only way was to have an OS3.9 with BB1 only and CGX3 (or Bvision System disk, anyway it's the same). Whenever i had BB2 installed i couldn't go further. Maybe you could try what i propose here and see if it works for you too, at least for starters.
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Re: BVision setup - It's been a while
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2010, 08:51:22 PM »
Quote from: portarinos;598328
Whenever i had BB2 installed i couldn't go further. Maybe you could try what i propose here and see if it works for you too, at least for starters.

dont forget to disable maprom option on board and/or in bootmenu.
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Re: BVision setup - It's been a while
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2010, 08:54:12 PM »
Wicked, thanks for the replies guys!
 
I've gotten a little bit further which is that I followed the advice and reinstalled from scratch with just CGX CD (No Driver) and then installed the 42.7 CGX update and selected the BVisionPPC.
 
This then installed the correct driver and the only problem was that there are no screenmodes defined, so I had a mooch through and selected a 1024x768 24bit VESA res, and this worked!
 
I think I now need to go through and setup a host of resolutions, and get them to "lock" with the monitor.
 
As it stands though at least the WB is running much better on the BVision.
 
 
Many many thanks for the help, sometimes it just needs a nudge in the right direction!
 
I'm sure I'll be back as I intend to get everything set back up how I had it before, so I'm sure I'll need a bit more advice at some point!
 
Best Regards
 
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Re: BVision setup - It's been a while
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2010, 09:11:01 PM »
good to hear you got it working. dont hesitate to ask for more help. last year I was in the same position, new hardware, a new beginning (after 10 years) and no idea where to start.
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