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My first computer was a Amiga 500. Now I have used PC for a long time and I miss my Amiga. But I don't have a clue on what's god or bad or where I can get a hold on one.

Would be most greatfull for any advice regarding good  hardware.

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Re: I'm thinking of getting me a really nice Amiga but I need help....
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2003, 08:52:27 PM »
It depends what you are planning to do with it. Just old games or something more power demanding...
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Re: I'm thinking of getting me a really nice Amiga but I need help....
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2003, 08:56:23 PM »
Have you tried AROS on your PC yet?

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Re: I'm thinking of getting me a really nice Amiga but I need help....
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2003, 09:01:09 PM »
Just how compatable is AROS with real Amiga software? i've been wanting to try it out for some time.
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Re: I'm thinking of getting me a really nice Amiga but I need help....
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2003, 09:31:23 PM »
@Acill

As far as I am aware, AROS (under x86) is source compatible with OS/RTG clean 3.x code only. Applications must be recompiled to run on it.

I believe some form of JIT-680x0 emulation is in the works which should give binary compatibility.

I'm sure Matt will be able to (and doubtless will) give us the low down there :-)
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Re: I'm thinking of getting me a really nice Amiga but I need help....
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2003, 09:44:16 PM »
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My first computer was a Amiga 500. Now I have used PC for a long time and I miss my Amiga. But I don't have a clue on what's god or bad or where I can get a hold on one.

Welcome to the waiting game.

On modern Amiga like hardware we have in one corner The Amiga One that in the near future will be running Amiga OS 4

On the other we have Pegasos that if I recall the gerneral public should have the Pegasos II boards by the 15th of this month (but don't hold your breath) running MorphOS that like Amiga OS 4 can run Amiga OS 3.x software that doesn't try to directly control the hardware.

I wouldn't even bother worring about either of these 2 till next year when hopefully there would be fair comparisons  of the two systems and the community will grow up and stop acting like a bunch of 2 year olds.

As for "Classic" systems try e-bay
 

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Re: I'm thinking of getting me a really nice Amiga but I need help....
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2003, 09:48:20 PM »
I just went through the same thing.   :-D   I ended up buying a 4000/40 on Ebay (was tempted to get a 1200 but this came up first) and I'm just flailing around sites like amiga-hardware.com trying to catch up and having a great deal of fun doing it.  The system I have is just as it would have been out of the box which is more fun for me because I can slowly add things to it and see all the things I missed.

A large part of me is kicking myself for being away for SO long.    :whack:   Sometimes I'm un-smart.
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Re: I'm thinking of getting me a really nice Amiga but I need help....
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2003, 10:03:32 PM »
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It depends what you are planning to do with it. Just old games or something more power demanding...


I second that. Its all about horses for courses, really. Your desire for a 'really nice' amiga is a bit ambiguous at the moment, so its probably best to fill in some blanks.

1) The 'classic' amiga. This encompasses all the original 680x0 systems. The true successor to the A500/+ line, the A1200 is highly expandable. It can take CPUs up to 68060 and PowerPC 603 (dual processor cards with a 68040 or 60 and a 603 were made). The 68060 running at 50-75 MHz is many times faster than the original A500's 68000.
You can shove the A1200 mainboard into a tower case, add a PCI busboard alongside your processor upgrade and fit PCI gfx cards, sound cards, network cards etc.
The A4000 is a similarly highly expandable machine. However (and this is a contentious issue for many) I feel the A1200 is a better machine in terms of reliability. I have never seen an A4K system that hasnt needed some repair work due to age, whereas even my 1993 vintage 1200 still works fine.

2) If you want more poke, there are 2 hardware successors to the classic line. They are the Pegasos and AmigaOne. Both are technically very similar, using PowerPC G3 and above processors, SDRam, AGP/PCI and using standard formfactor motherboards.

The Pegasos runs an amigaos clone called MorphOS which reportedly offers very good compatibility with both 680x0 and existing powerpc amiga software (I can't personally verify this since have never used it beyond a very early pre alpha version). The Pegasos is no longer manufactured (around 600 units were made), but the Pegasos-II will soon be availaible (AFAIK).

The AmigaOne is very similar architectuarlly. It is slated to run AmigaOS4, the offical successor to 3.x. There are several versions of the hardware available. Early versions had the CPU hardwired, but all the newer systems use a socket to allow different CPUs (ranging grom G3 400MHz to G4 933MHz or higher perhaps). The latest addition to the family is the A1 Lite which uses mini ATX (or was that mini ITX?) form factor for impressive dinkiness :-) It offers only limited expandibility using embedded graphics and so on, but at least the CPU is still upgradable.

OS4 isn't available yet and is still in the final stages of development. It is being demonstrated at various events currently, so it is reasonable to assume it wont be long before it is. The hardware runs Linux at the moment.

Both OS4 and MorphOS have incarnations that run on classic amigas kitted out with a PowerPC upgrade. That's currently limited to the A1200 (Using the BlizzardPPC) or the A4000 (Using CyberstormPPC). I'm pretty sure the A3000 can take the latter processor card also, but don't quote me on that :-)

3) AROS. This is an open source endeavour to recreate OS3.x for various platforms. NO prizes for guessing the x86 is at the most advanced stage of development. However, the developers involved seem hell bent on making it run on everything with a CPU in it...

4) UAE. Well, we've come almost full circle. UAE is a very mature emulation of the classic amiga. It is limited to running 680x0 code only, but thanks to JIT emulation techniques and the good price/performance ratio of PC hardware, WinUAE is capable of running at silly speeds compared to a real 680x0 amiga ;-)

Your only real problem is in choosing. Unfortunately, it seems many users have settled into camps on this issue. Whilst I personally find this rather sad, its only human nature I guess. No doubt my mentioning Pegasos and AmigaOne and AROS in the same post will result in some old points of contention being dredged up, but lets all try to be adult for once...
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Re: I'm thinking of getting me a really nice Amiga but I need help....
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2003, 10:14:44 PM »
@Karlos

I second the repair of the 4k series.  The battery on this one that I just got is just starting to leak.   :-o



 
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Re: I'm thinking of getting me a really nice Amiga but I need help....
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2003, 10:25:05 PM »
You could also try http://www.amibench.net/ . There are sometimes some good deals to be had on here. I got my A2000 and A4000 by placing wanted ads on here!  :-D
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Re: I'm thinking of getting me a really nice Amiga but I need help....
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2003, 11:30:14 PM »
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I'm thinking of getting me a really nice Amiga but I need help....


I think many of the people on here 'need help'
I mean, I got back into the Amiga at the beginning of this year. Since then I've spent hours setting up hardware, scouting ebay and amibench for computers, cards, etc. And if you tell one of your friends your into Amigas, they will certainly tell you that you need help!

Oh, and on a more helpful note, I'd get yourself a stock A1200 and see what you want to do from there.....

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Re: I'm thinking of getting me a really nice Amiga but I need help....
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2003, 11:53:28 PM »
Yeah, getting an A1200 is always a good start!
And if you can find maybe a 030 accelerator to go with it, then you're ready to explore some more!

That was how i started 2 years ago... with a stock CD32, got an SX-1 for it, then got a A1230...and today, well check signature, currently without my Mediator (allows PCI cards in Amiga)

And if you become enough crazy with your A1200, then you will be amazed with the expansion possibilities!

Good luck!
Ebay is a good place to find bargains!
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Re: I'm thinking of getting me a really nice Amiga but I need help....
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2003, 01:04:31 AM »
Or you can wait for the release of OS 4 and the MicroA1.   :-D

But if you are in a hurry to get back in on a classic level, then I would recommend the A1200 or A4000 as a place to start.   :-)
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