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I am a complete novice to the world of Amiga and vintage gaming in  general as I grew up in the age of retro with the Super Nintendo etc.

I recently picked up an Amiga 500 with a ton of original and blank floppy discs for around £20.

Upon testing it I found that what I would consider the main components  work fine. Everything powers up ok and the picture via the RF output box  is perfect etc.

When attempting to load discs I stumbled across 2 major problems.  Firstly, discs will not fully load due to an error message that pops up  saying that the "RAM DISK IS FULL" and secondly neither of the Joystick  ports seem to be working meaning I have no control when it gets to this  point meaning I just have to switch it off and on again to get back to  the main screen.

If someone could offer some repair advice that is jargon free it would  more than appreciated. I am not squeamish about taking it apart or  soldering etc, I just wouldn't know where to start.

Thanks for reading and I look forward to any replies.

Mike.
 

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Quote from: Nuisance22;577673
I am a complete novice to the world of Amiga and vintage gaming in  general as I grew up in the age of retro with the Super Nintendo etc.

I recently picked up an Amiga 500 with a ton of original and blank floppy discs for around £20.

Upon testing it I found that what I would consider the main components  work fine. Everything powers up ok and the picture via the RF output box  is perfect etc.

When attempting to load discs I stumbled across 2 major problems.  Firstly, discs will not fully load due to an error message that pops up  saying that the "RAM DISK IS FULL" and secondly neither of the Joystick  ports seem to be working meaning I have no control when it gets to this  point meaning I just have to switch it off and on again to get back to  the main screen.

If someone could offer some repair advice that is jargon free it would  more than appreciated. I am not squeamish about taking it apart or  soldering etc, I just wouldn't know where to start.

Thanks for reading and I look forward to any replies.

Mike.


Hi Mike,

It sounds like your doing a number of things wrong and it also sounds like you don't have any extra RAM installed on you A500.

You say neither of the joystick ports are working, firstly does your mouse work or are you using the keyboard to navigate around the workbench screen ?

Not quite sure why you seem to be trying to copy disks into ram, could you clarify what your attempting to do...

Have you any form of RAM expansion card installed in the trapdoor slot (the removable cover on the underside of the A500)

If you could post some more details on the actual specs that you have on your machine, it may help to answer your questions... :)

Cheers :drink:

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Thanks for the reply. To answer, I have no RAM expansion to speak of, I thought it may be built in. Also, I am not attempting to copy the game to the RAM, that is what the Amiga automatically tells me when I insert a disk.

The specs of the machines I don't know and I don't know how to access this information. I have realised it is an A500 though if that is any help?

I have tried using a mouse, and 2 different joysticks. The buttons work, but I don't seem to be able to move the cursor with any peripheral.

I also don't know how to access the work bench via the keyboard. I tried to browse with tab etc but no joy. When I switch the machine on a picture of a disk shows and that's it. I assumed to just insert a disk and that be it if I am honest. Probably naive, but this is literally the first time I have ever tried to set one up myself.

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To run workbench you need a disk labelled "Workbench" there is probably no hard drive. To navigate with out the mouse you use 'Amiga' key plus arrow or shift+amiga to click.
There should be heaps of games that work in 512k, but to do anything in Workbench you will need more ram, also a second floppy drive would be a must have upgrade.
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Thank you, I will look for the disk now and post my findings. It's funny how the more advance and technical technology has gotten, the simpler it is to troubleshoot. I could take a PC or xbox 360 etc apart and fix it, but this boggles me, lol.

Thanks again.

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Ok, I have got workbench running, but this doesn't seem to help anything, I have played with the mouse settings and still cannot get it work properly. I am having to navigate using the Amiga plus direction keys and select files using the mouse buttons.

What will I need to do/have to get this back to working order. I don't mind spending a little money and as fore mentioned performing internal repairs etc. I'd just like to get it in to a good usable order.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Mike.
 

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Quote from: Nuisance22;577695
Ok, I have got workbench running, but this doesn't seem to help anything, I have played with the mouse settings and still cannot get it work properly. I am having to navigate using the Amiga plus direction keys and select files using the mouse buttons.

What will I need to do/have to get this back to working order. I don't mind spending a little money and as fore mentioned performing internal repairs etc. I'd just like to get it in to a good usable order.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Mike.

Open up your mouse and clean it out. Check the inside isn't clogged with dust. It's an opto-mechanical mouse.
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You could try several game disks to see if there is one that runs... that way you can determine if the mouse/joystick ports are all right.
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You have said it is an A500, but if it happens to actually be an A500+ (it should say so on the printed label, if there is one), you may have a leaky battery problem to deal with. The plus models had an internal real time clock that ran on a NiCd battery which almost certainly has leaked corrosive electrolyte after all this time. Depending on which way the computer has been stored, such a leak might cause issues with the mouse/joystick ports or anything else.

Even if it is not an A500+, you could still have a look on the inside of the computer by opening the six or so screws on the bottom and carefully lifting the top half of the case off. It might be that some of the socketed chips are not completely pushed in, though usually this causes the machine to not boot properly at all, which in this case it seems to be doing fine.

Of course you should clean the mouse and do all the other external checking first, as others have suggested.
 

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Thank you, I will do this asap. It is definitely an A500, not an A500+. I have some other consoles to check in the mean time. As this seems like it will take the most attention I'll save it till last so I am not rushing and can be more thorough. I haven't had it open yet, but I have noticed the unit has been opened already as there seems to be a broken warranty seal covering a screw hole and the screw is missing.

Anyway, Thank you all for being so helpful this far and I will keep posting my progress.

Mike.
 

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It sounds like your CIAs could be blown - it's a common problem that usually happens by plugging/unplugging things while the machine is on. There are two of them, labelled 8520. The chips are identical but they do different things depending on where in the board they're plugged in, so an easy test is to swap them and see what behaves differently (although if they're both toast this diagnostic won't help).

And to "click" using the keyboard, it's actually Amiga+LAlt for a left click and Amiga+RAlt for a right click (Amiga menus are accessed using a right click).

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Make sure mouse is in port 1 ;), if that's not the problem. Have a look for a spare U15 74HCT157 or possible the U4 8362 (Denise) might be broken.

Other than that U3 8364 (Paula), and U7 CIA, 8250 is also involved.

I would suspect the U15 chip because thats where the Vpulse, Hpulse, VQpulse, HQpulse passes through before entering U4.

A simple test is to use a joystick, and if forward/back/left/right in port 1 won't work inside a game designed for a digital joytstick in port 1, there will be problem getting the mouse to work as well.

(related thread, schematic A500)
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