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Is the on-board CPU used at all in accelerated Amigas?
« on: June 11, 2010, 09:45:19 AM »
When an accelerator is plugged in the CPU slot of an Amiga 1200, its CPU takes over the 68020 of the motherboard. Everyone knows this. What i'm curious to know is whether the 68020 is used at the initialization phase and if the Amiga will be able to boot even if it is damaged.
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Re: Is the on-board CPU used at all in accelerated Amigas?
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2010, 10:58:37 AM »
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When an accelerator is plugged in the CPU slot of an Amiga 1200, its CPU takes over the 68020 of the motherboard. Everyone knows this. What i'm curious to know is whether the 68020 is used at the initialization phase and if the Amiga will be able to boot even if it is damaged.

Possibly.
 
On the original german A2000 you had to take out the main CPU if you added an accelerator as there was no way to disable it.
 
Missing is probably ok, if it's damaged then it might create bus activity that stops the accelerator from working.
 

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Re: Is the on-board CPU used at all in accelerated Amigas?
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2010, 12:35:28 PM »
No, the onboard CPU is kicked off the computer bus by the accelerator and it never asks to be let back on. (because its not told too)
 

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Re: Is the on-board CPU used at all in accelerated Amigas?
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2010, 02:10:50 PM »
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No, the onboard CPU is kicked off the computer bus by the accelerator and it never asks to be let back on. (because its not told too)


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Re: Is the on-board CPU used at all in accelerated Amigas?
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2010, 02:11:56 PM »
Yup, as the others have said, the 68020 is totally disabled and doesn't execute a single instruction of the OS boot, but it depends on the nature of the damage. If it sits there and behaves like a normal disabled CPU, then it should be fine. It's quite possible though that it'll try to hold some lines low or high or something like that, meaning that the bus itself is jammed with no way for the accelerator CPU to use it.
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Re: Is the on-board CPU used at all in accelerated Amigas?
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2010, 02:15:44 PM »
It would have been cool if you could still use both cpu's, like somehow route background tasks to the older processor.

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Re: Is the on-board CPU used at all in accelerated Amigas?
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2010, 02:17:08 PM »
Yeah - get that handling input.device, timers and other low-level stuff like that would be great... Oh well :-)
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Re: Is the on-board CPU used at all in accelerated Amigas?
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2010, 03:02:21 PM »
Yeah, I always felt a bit miffed with my A1200 68030@40 knowing there was a 020 with a few MIPS right there on the motherboard doing nothing.

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Re: Is the on-board CPU used at all in accelerated Amigas?
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2010, 03:35:29 PM »
It'll still make some heat, if that makes you feel any better!
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Re: Is the on-board CPU used at all in accelerated Amigas?
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2010, 03:43:02 PM »
In that case, all is forgiven.
 

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Re: Is the on-board CPU used at all in accelerated Amigas?
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2010, 03:59:36 PM »
While an Asymetric Multiprocessor System based on using the 020 and the accelerator CPU probably wouldn't be very useful for any real system... You would need to target the 020 specifically, and then only a few Amiga's would have them, different configs etc... But from technical point of view, I would guess you could do it providing the accelerator board was designed to share the bus, and you ran some custom software on the 020 etc...

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Re: Is the on-board CPU used at all in accelerated Amigas?
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2010, 04:39:42 PM »
Multiprocessing was a big deal back then. Plus wouldn't you need a capable OS?
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Re: Is the on-board CPU used at all in accelerated Amigas?
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2010, 05:07:58 PM »
On the A2000 with a 2630 you can hold down the mouse button and boot off of the original 68000, in case you run into softwares that can handles the awesome power of the 68030. :)
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