iMac G4

[warpdesign]

And how does one buy ROM license for Win UAE if one does not have an Amiga?

You shouldn't have to buy a ROM licence for something released 25 years ago !
Every other parts of the system are available free of charge, and even open source for the most part, that includes:

 - free and open source hardware (minimig)
 - free games (lots of commercial games have been freely released by their owner, including most Team17 games for example)
 - free and open source software based-emulator
 - ...

If the 1.3 ROM (and yes, I mean the ROM, not even the disk based workbench apps, and I mean 1.3 only, newer versions could be left closed) was at least released for free (I'm not talking about open sourcing it), you could just get a full free legal package anywhere on the internet, one click, and here you go.

Apple released old software, you don't have to buy your CPC ROM,... it should be the same for the Amiga...

I believe this would increase emulation and Amiga's usage: there is nothing to loose.

[Franko]

Don't understand what all the fuss is about, regarding Legal or Moral issues with obtaining a KS ROM image file.

I haven't been on the internet for long but I've already came across numerous sites where you can if you need it erm... 'obtain' KS ROM image files. :rolleyes:

I have never in 20 odd years of using computers came across one single person who hasn't, shall we say 'used' or 'borrowed' some sort of software for their computer. Hell even the guy who installed OSX and upgraded my iMac included for me some erm... 'borrowed' software onto it and he was a qualified Apple technician working for an Apple approved company on a legitimate call out...

[recidivist]

Apple released old versions of the OS up to 7.5.5, but nothing newer,nor have Apple released any ROM images .That's why various Mac emulators for the Amiga required  the owner to buy a set of Apple ROMS or have an Apple computer in their possession to read the ROMs into Amiga memory.

Legally,stealing is stealing,whether it be a loaf of bread(Les Miserables) or a software program or ?Thankfully we now recognize the difference in stealing a loaf of bread out of desperate hunger versus the theft of something coveted but not necessary for life itself.

Instead of wanting 1.3 ROM released for free,why not propse to the patent/copyright owners that they sell such ROMs for a nominal fee?

Oh,wait! I seem to recall ROM chips in Amigakit and other vendors' CURRENT offerings.

Do you suppose one of the main problems with the Amiga enthusiasts is that too many are still "pirates" at heart,and want other people to spend significant portions of life working on Amiga projects for no reward

[persia]

The only way to legally obtain the ROMs is to extract them from machines you already own or buy Amiga Forever.  I bought Amiga Forever...

[recidivist]

Franko:
So you are telling us the Apple tech is also a thief?
Shocking...NOT.

I know that a lot of computer service and sales people givve the customers little bonuses in software despite the illegality.Just because stealing is easy or widespread doesn't make it morally correct (or legal).
Oh yes,I know a fellow who had a growing computer refurbishing business in Cincinnati.He bought  ex-business computers ,cleaned the dirt off the hardware,formatted the hard drives with a new install of Windows and sold hundreds of machines to satisfied customers.Microsoft objected to his business in that he had not bothered to obtain licenses for those Windows installs.I believe the fines were enough to put him out of business.He seemed a fine,hard-working young businessman except for that.

Anybody who wants to discard their iMac G4 can send it to me instead of the trash can.

IF you want free software,it is widely available in the linux world.

[CSixx]

How people get their rom images is irrelevant. If I have a lower moral standard than you do there's nothing you can do about it...

btw, ironic nickname for such a white knight.

[recidivist]

Well,a Brit told me I have a dry sense of humor...........

[recidivist]

It depends just how low your moral standard is and where you choose to exercise your standards.Societies have laws that generally punish those who have significantly lower moral standards than average.Of course politicians and celebrities are somehow given more leeway than Joe Amiga.

[recidivist]

to CSixx:

re:nickname

Recidivist as in keeps returning to old habits despite societal pressure,i.e. use old Commodore computers.

[CSixx]

to CSixx:

re:nickname

Recidivist as in keeps returning to old habits despite societal pressure,i.e. use old Commodore computers.

The definition revolves around a criminal element that you are omitting, but that's ok

[Super TWiT]

I think not, or at least you'd have to use frameskip for quite a lot of things.

DUDE! My iMac G3 can run everything but AGA fullspeed.  You've got to be kidding me that his G4 can't. Of course, my G3 runs linux but still.

[Franko]

Maybe it's just me, but if you want to run Amiga software then use Amiga hardware, I would never torture myself to running an Amiga emulator when there is still plenty of genuine Amiga hardware still around, and this iMacG4  I bought is only useful for the internet and pales in comparison to my various Amiga Set ups.