FS on ebay - A3000T-040, X-Surf, Deneb, Cybervision and more.

[motrucker]

Paypal should get your money back to you, IF this guy has left anything in his Paypal account (bank account and/or credit card). They are pretty good about this - have saved my bacon before!
Hope they can help you out.

I'm still trying to find a cheap C-128 to replace the setup my ex-landlord stole from my while I was moving. I guess we can get it from any/all sides these days! At least I saved the Amigas!!

[save2600]

Paypal should get your money back to you, IF this guy has left anything in his Paypal account (bank account and/or credit card). They are pretty good about this - have saved my bacon before!
Hope they can help you out.

Thanks Motrucker. Last lie that was told, was that he had his girlfriend "upload" the money to be refunded Sunday/Monday and that he'd have it back to me by Wednesday. Wednesday then turned into Thursday because it takes a day or two for the transfer to complete. Ummm, okay. It was then Friday before I made the claim. So yeah... he's had all sorts of time to rectify this. More than enough time than I'd normally give anyone OR conduct my own business affairs.

And OUCH! about the thieving 128 bastard!  :mad:

[djrikki]

Haven't used ebay for years, but I always thought it was simple as:

Wait until the money is my own bank account not paypal's and then.. and only then send the item through the post.  At least with BIG purchases such as these thats what I would do.

[Firedawg]

Thanks Motrucker. Last lie that was told, was that he had his girlfriend "upload" the money to be refunded Sunday/Monday and that he'd have it back to me by Wednesday. Wednesday then turned into Thursday because it takes a day or two for the transfer to complete. Ummm, okay. It was then Friday before I made the claim. So yeah... he's had all sorts of time to rectify this. More than enough time than I'd normally give anyone OR conduct my own business affairs.

And OUCH! about the thieving 128 bastard!  :mad:

I thought you got one heck of a deal on that mini, and even I thought about getting it for $300 just to get the registered copy of MorphOS.  But, as the old saying goes "If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is.".   Sorry to hear you got burnt on the transaction and I do hope you recoup your funds.  

The Dawg

@tokyoracer - thanks for the correction on the saying!  I did not proof it after writing or I would have caught it.

[guest7146]

@save2600

I've used Ebay a LOT and I have to say that I've had very little trouble.  But, one the one occasion that I was scammed on an expensive item (only £50 but hey...), I put a claim into paypal saying that I had not received the item and they actually reversed the transaction immediately.  The money came back to me until finally the dispute was found in my favour and the case was closed.

I think this reversal of funds only happens when you deal with inexperienced sellers though.  If they've been selling successfully for a long time I have a feeling that they become "trusted" and in that case you don't get your money back straight away but, if the dispute is found to be in your favour, you get your money back then.  If the seller can't prove that he sent you the item then you'll get your money back I reckon.

With regard to having a blacklist on here... yeah it *is* a nice idea but I'm not sure it would come to fruition in the real world.  The main problem would be deciding who goes on the blacklist.  That sort of thing would have to be left up to amiga.org moderators, but then you're asking them to get involved in ebay rows and take sides on it.  The issue becomes even more shaky if the row involves two amiga.org members.
So, unfortunately, I don't think a blacklist would ever make it on to here, as nice an idea as it is.

Hope you get your money back,

Apple Hammer

[tokyoracer]

Yeah I hope you get that cash off that theif. eBay puts alot of trust into sellers and buyers but because of this, people do abuse it. Is a real shame as eBay was such a pleasent place many moons ago, how things have changed. . .

But, as the old saying goes if it sounds to good to be true then it probably isn't.

Thought the saying was "if it sounds to good to be true then it probably is".
I know what you mean though.

[tone007]

This wasn't an eBay transaction, was it?

Luckily PayPal provides some protection as well.

[som99]

Hope the paypal mess sorts out, myself I have had some problems with Paypal aswell
I code for money and when the buyers get their code and have payed they sometimes puts a refund on it but most times I have not lost money :]

[save2600]

This wasn't an eBay transaction, was it?

Luckily PayPal provides some protection as well.

No - this was NOT an eBay transaction. The scam took place an A.org, hence the publicity here.

[Amiga_Nut]

Haven't used ebay for years, but I always thought it was simple as:

Wait until the money is my own bank account not paypal's and then.. and only then send the item through the post.  At least with BIG purchases such as these thats what I would do.

This will work if you never plan on using that PayPal account again, because if a reversal occurs then the balance is permanently negative to the tune of the claim. Also have to report any associated cards with that account to your bank as stolen and get the bank to remove the secret direct debit PayPal set up on your account.

And remember even if you do everything by the book with ebay/paypal rules a buyer can do a credit card chargeback something like 6 months later, which PayPal has to honour, and you're in the same boat.

[Amiga_Nut]

Luckily PayPal provides some protection as well.

You can definitely protect yourself against a non-delivery claim yes. Significantly not as described claims by unscrupulous PayPal users are always available. eg you sell an A1200 060/PPC card...buy claims that he only received a 4mb A1200 RAM board.

In this case the buyer is told to send back an item (and the timescale is too short of international postage) and once some sort of tracking number proves something was sent PayPal release the funds held into the buyer's account.

So you end up with no money, no PPC card, and a 'free' A1200 4mb RAM board. PayPal always take the buyer's side in these claims, and as the buyer claimed to have received an A1200 4mb RAM board all he has to do is take a picture of it.

Now you know why I never sell anything more than 5 quid via PayPal to international destinations.