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Re: so who really won, amiga or atari?
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2003, 09:49:34 AM »
MultiTOS - is that like a game of soggy biscuit? :lol:
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Re: so who really won, amiga or atari?
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2003, 09:53:58 AM »
Amiga won. Atari was a dead duck when Amiga was just rising to its peak of power. It (Amiga) had better games, a better OS, and better hardware. The only successful Atari was the 2600.
 

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Re: so who really won, amiga or atari?
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2003, 10:12:41 AM »
Who really won?

Sony... :-)

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Re: so who really won, amiga or atari?
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2003, 10:38:49 AM »
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Re: so who really won, amiga or atari?
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2003, 06:15:17 PM »
@Cyberus

MultiTOS is a UNIX-like kernel (called MiNT) that runs TOS in a virtual machine.  So you have two sides, the UNIX-like MiNT and the TOS-side for legacy apps.  

There are TOS-replacements, allowing totally GPL'd MultiTOS workalike OS's out there, such as FreeMiNT and SpareMiNT, including a way to emulate such on foreign hardware.
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Re: so who really won, amiga or atari?
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2003, 06:21:34 PM »
FreeMiNT, SpareMiNT...

Is there perchance a PepperMiNT flavour?

...

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Re: so who really won, amiga or atari?
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2003, 06:21:50 PM »
@lempkee

No Atari-CF-project ever reached production. The last one 1st called
"Pegasus"  :-o  and later renamed is more or less shelved due to
the CF still not being compatible enough, and honestly I expect
Oli's project to go the same way sooner or later (a real shame, but one
should stay realistic).
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: so who really won, amiga or atari?
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2003, 07:06:16 PM »
Atari was bought up by virgin software i think... so they now only develop games

Edit:
bough up by infogrames*
 

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Re: so who really won, amiga or atari?
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2003, 08:15:53 PM »
        Speaking as both a Atari and Amiga user now, well, the Atari  name was never really owned by one person anyway (much like Amiga as I understand it).

        Went something like this... Bushell... Time Warner, Jack Tremiel, JTS, Hasbro, and then Infrograms.

        So we haven't had original ownership since like 1976!   And I assure you, Jack Tremiel's era did not produce pong units from Bushnells time.  So to say the current "Atari" is any more or less than the previous Atari's in my opinion is mute.

       Infrograms wisely changed to the Atari name, and have done well with it in my opinion.   Naturally, all hardware platforms continue on without the aid of the "Atari" named company.  Which in my opinion is just fine.  In some ways, the Atari platforms do better now on their own than back when they were being "aided" by Atari.
      (that last remark mirrors a few people feelings about Amiga and it's relation with Commodore.)

       The Atari ST survives with various clones based off the Falcon and TT.  The Milan (40/60) machine was sold till recently.  Recently Falcon users gained another production run of 060 boards for the Falcon.  As it stands, MagicOS is still being sold and improved, as well as various apps.  TOS is owned, last I heard by a company somewhere in Germany.  And in truth, most production for the ST/TT/Falcon happens in Europe.
       Atari still has a few sellers and resellers in the United States, and like the Amiga, a lot of various tinkering going on, and plans for future hardware and hardware hacks by the fan base.

      The Atari Jaguar is a community in and of itself, owned by no one but it's community since Atari (under Hasbro) released the gaming platform to the public domain.

      Did Atari, or Amiga, dominate the world?  No.  Who would want to?  I remember when all these people who have no love for computers started pouring in.  Let them have the windows environement and it's billion viruses.  Let Windows computers be at work.  It is nice to have nichte at home .. weither Atari or Amiga, or whatever, that you have a good idea that those involved really care about what they are doing.  At least you can be sure about 95% of the time right?  :)

       So why am I am Amiga user?  Well, there is a user group in the area, so I thought I'd join the fun.

       Though I don't know the story of Amiga to the detail of my account of Atari above, hearing Amiga's story seems like a mirror image to the Atari story.  Think of it.  :)

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Re: so who really won, amiga or atari?
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2003, 10:26:34 PM »
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that_punk_guy wrote:
FreeMiNT, SpareMiNT...

Is there perchance a PepperMiNT flavour?

...

*hangs head in shame*


How about DoubleMiNT

"Doesn't matter, cos I've got DoubleMiNT":-D

@tpg
We both really ought to learn to contribute properly to these discussions.... :-)
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Re: so who really won, amiga or atari?
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2003, 10:31:23 PM »
Hey DoctorClu, are you the same DoctorClu from Atari Jaguar Interactive II?
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Re: so who really won, amiga or atari?
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2003, 10:45:12 PM »
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Cyberus wrote:
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that_punk_guy wrote:
FreeMiNT, SpareMiNT...

Is there perchance a PepperMiNT flavour?

...

*hangs head in shame*


How about DoubleMiNT

"Doesn't matter, cos I've got DoubleMiNT":-D

@tpg
We both really ought to learn to contribute properly to these discussions.... :-)


There's a discussion going on...? :lol:
 

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Re: so who really won, amiga or atari?
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2003, 11:40:44 PM »
Mmmmm MiNT Operating System... MiNTOS!

sorry!  :nervous:
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Re: so who really won, amiga or atari?
« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2003, 11:44:55 PM »
Off topic...

@that_punk_guy

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But... I don't wanna learn ANSI C!




/mental image of slowly contra-rotating black and white spirals...

Yes. Yes you do. Then you will be in a position to reach out towards C++, C#, java, javascript....

int p; // A
 

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Re: so who really won, amiga or atari?
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2003, 08:16:15 AM »
Has anyone here used Objective C?
I tried to learn about it when I was at university for a project using Swarm- quite obscure, I guess it was what existed before the advent of C++...

Me braces myself to be patronised....
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Re: so who really won, amiga or atari?
« Reply #29 from previous page: November 15, 2003, 10:33:55 AM »
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Karlos wrote:
Off topic...

@that_punk_guy

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But... I don't wanna learn ANSI C!




/mental image of slowly contra-rotating black and white spirals...

Yes. Yes you do. Then you will be in a position to reach out towards C++, C#, java, javascript....



"Thinking in C++" by Bruce Ecle it's not great but a good place to start since it's free and downloadable.