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Re: Official A1 repair centre in France
« Reply #29 from previous page: February 23, 2005, 07:53:09 PM »
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ikir wrote:

I really don't understand this A1/OS4 slandering mania.


I'm an OS4 user and I find that Eyetech has made mistakes. Am I not allowed to tell how I feel ?
If Eyetech would just admit that they made mistakes I would feel much less annoyed. They should not try to twist the history or tell this nonsense about 'we owe you respect'.
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Re: Official A1 repair centre in France
« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2005, 07:59:06 PM »
nobody is telling you or all other AOne owner that you are wrong . .  .. you have all the right to argue on this.

The only thing that i think now .  ."do you wanna shot on the Red Cross"? . . . i dont think so.

If Eyetech can't face to a repairs, would them efford to a FULL refund?!? . . .come on!
 

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Re: Official A1 repair centre in France
« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2005, 08:15:49 PM »
@framiga

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Re: Official A1 repair centre in France
« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2005, 09:11:07 PM »
Poster: Framiga  Posted: 2005/2/23 14:59:06

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If Eyetech can't face to a repairs, would them efford to a FULL refund?!? . . .come on!


If they are the manufacturers, it's their responsibility for their product so they do owe their customers a way of fixing or replacing their broken hardware.  Now if Eyetech is simply a distributor, they can push off the responsibility to the manufacturer of the mobos since they would be liable.  It's all about who is legally liable for broken hardware.

If you bought a car from, say, Ford and it stalled out if it went over 100kmph, would you demand they fix it, go have it fixed yourself at your expense, or file suit against Ford?

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Re: Official A1 repair centre in France
« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2005, 10:34:01 PM »
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do you wanna shot on the Red Cross?


Wait... I didn't know that Eyetech was a non-profit organization! I'm sooo sorry.
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Re: Official A1 repair centre in France
« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2005, 02:14:26 AM »
Framiga,

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they (Eyetech) CAN'T economically face the expences for all the fixes, period . . . its not so difficult to understand!!!


However irrelevant to current or future customers, that's quite possible.

But then they should not have been granted a licence by AInc to sell hardware for use with AmigaOS, as all licensees would "have to develop and resource a full customer solution, with guarantees on product quality, delivery, and most important of all post sales support, with firm commitments to repair, replacement and turnaround". Also see the first link Itix posted above, where "fleecy" again reaffirms readers of the marvellous protection that a 60% price increase will give the consumer. If they can't even live up to what's required as a minimum by consumer laws (at least in the EU), one would have to question if they have any business selling anything at all, much less something that you pay extra for to get presumably (otherwise what's the point?) even better "protection".

As we have seen too damn many times by now, the licence requirement is utterly worthless to us AmigaOS users. It's even got negative worth, IMO.
It's been made apparent that Eyetech, who allegedly is just another licensee on equal terms with anybody else, never have had to live up to any of the licensing requirements as they were officially advertised. These contributors to inventing the compulsory licensing scheme in the first place naturally do not want more licensees, so neither do apparently AInc (provided AInc actually have a will or interest of their own in the matter).
Otherwise another dealer would be selling the same Terons cheaper now, especially considering that they could actually offer externally insured customer support.
Otherwise the "ARIANA" from AHT Europe (who recently announced their presence at CeBIT and AROS support) could have been called "Amiga 700", running AmigaOS4.

The thing that sucks the most IMO is that AmigaOS4 and "all future versions" have artificially been made dependent on and linked to all this fricking de-facto-monopoly pseudo-market let's-pretend-there's-still-Amiga-hardware bull-dung.

This is where I'm supposed to post the usual link for those who would like to see some changes. ;)
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Re: Official A1 repair centre in France
« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2005, 10:39:35 AM »
@Framiga

Time for another car-analogy  :-o

Eyetech are like the fool who in mid-winter blocks a high-mountain-street with summer-tires and no snow-chains.

EVERYBODY has the right to call that fool a fool, cos that what he is.

Eyetech did go through the Escena-think, but somehow Alan refused to learn the lesson.

Checking wether the stuff you want to sell is o.k. and wether you can afford support is something every respectable/honest buisness-man would do before going into such an adventure.

Just like every responsible driver would check his equiment before going onto a mountain tour at this time of the year.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: Official A1 repair centre in France
« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2005, 05:38:16 PM »
@Seehund

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Since "read AW.net" seems to be the standard course of discussion here, I suggest you try not to ignore what Teron-owners like e.g. RedMelons, Oxygenet, Radfoo, Coder or takemehomegrandma have to say about the information they have (not) received prior to purchase, and what they think about the situation.


My problem is the way Eyetech deals with customers. Don't get me wrong, I am enjoying OS4 to the full. That is not what I am complaining about. The fact is that Eyetech is careless when it comes to customers. My board is SE very-very early on and the warranty is gone. I am not {bleep}ing about that. What I keep asking all the time is that if there will be a fix for the SE boards. I would go for the pci cards but at the moment the USB one does not solve my prob. I cannot use and mass storage devices. There is nothing coming from Eyetech about that. So my prob  I have related to my board is that I don't know if I can ever fix it. On a side not I did had the whining sound prob which looked like it never was going to be fixed since it was a hardware thing but the second update of OS4 DID fix it. Kudos! :-)

So far about my board. What I also find absurd is that the XE owners with the probs have to pay for it while the board is in warranty. If I buy something and it brakes down while in warranty it will be fixed for free. That's it, no discussion. Same world, same rules. Just because it is Eyetech or an AmigaOne computer you can bend the rules? I don't think so.

Also Eyetech is not doing anything at all about this. All they do is give the fix info (under NDA) to companies that want to do the fix. That's not helping folks. Before the France thing they did say you loose warranty when you have it fixed. And when it goes wrong you just have to buy a new one from your own money. Hello?? Ok if this was FUD and not true then Eyetech should have stepped in and release a statement that it was not true. They did not say anything. They must have seen the response and thought wow better change that one. I mean c'mon people bring your board in under warranty to fix something you pay for and then also loose the warranty? Blimey!Even soap writers don't come up with that stuff.

As you can see I am not really happy with Eyetech because of how they work. Should I just say ah it's ok things happen? Not really. I surely don't have confidence in Eyetech anymore. Since they are sort of the only ones with OS4 hardware we are stuck with them but I sure hope others come in and play because I will be buying my stuff from them and certainly not anymore from Eyetech. Man I could ramble on forever about this mess but I will not. Does this makes me a whiner? I don't think so. If something is great and I like it I say it and when something is really bad I also will. I guess most people will just pay up that 50 euro + and just have it fixed and leave it at that. :-(

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Re: Official A1 repair centre in France
« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2005, 12:44:32 AM »
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I really don't understand this A1/OS4 slandering mania


"It is not. I resent that. Slander is spoken. In print, it's libel." - J. Jonah Jameson
 

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Re: Official A1 repair centre in France
« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2005, 07:38:28 AM »
Argo said:
>"It is not. I resent that. Slander is spoken. In
>print, it's libel." - J. Jonah Jameson

It must also be noted that in order for it to be libel, the libelous person must know that he's spreading misinformation.. Basically he must be knowingly telling lies that hurt the victim of the libel..

Now.. These people that were accused of libel have provided evidence to back their statements.

How can that be libel when the dirty past is thrown at the faces of the crooks who are ripping off their customers?

Sadly, I'm quite interested in an OS4 system, but this nonsense from Eyetech is really deterring me from sending ANY money at all in their general direction.

I'll keep my A4000, thanks. :-P
 

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Re: Official A1 repair centre in France
« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2005, 01:50:54 AM »
I was correcting Ikir. Not to mention allowing me to use a quote from one of my favorite movies.