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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #164 from previous page: March 29, 2004, 11:26:35 PM »
I absolutely loved Garry Hare's response, and I don't care if they were chummy with Amiga, Inc.

I still have serious questions about the integrity of that operation...

BUT, that is not going to sway my enthusiasm for the team over at KMOS and the honesty and forthrightness of Garry Hare.  I don't regard myself as a fool, I call them as I see them, and I think this is a wonderful turn of events.

It's just good to see, this change of ownership over the Amiga OS 4.0 platform.  I don't know if I care about this mysterious partner that they are building their business plan around, and I don't know if those interests intersect with my own.

However, I do, just get a warm and fuzzy feeling, and its great they are continuing OS 4.0, and the guy just seems real smart.

Respect is the most important thing, and Garry Hare just commands it.
 

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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #165 on: March 30, 2004, 06:06:49 AM »
I guess I should get my rants straight.  I was referring to the business card thing.  Nobody has been honest, which is why I'm suprised anyone is obsessing over that one issue.  There are so many bigger ones.  It's a wait and see thing, though I don't think many will be happy with the future KMOS is working on as I think it will have little to do with the Amiga as a PC type platform.  Just my opinion.
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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #166 on: March 30, 2004, 09:04:58 AM »
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> This is great! I've never seen such obsession with a trivial issue.

It's not a trivial issue. people were accused of lying, while people who knew the truth let it happen. These people who sat in silence are despicable.

For me, it's not about "Who's the CEO" or any other angle that's been argued. It's the act above that's pissed me off. It's inexcusable.


T_Bone I agree 100%.
 

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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #167 on: March 30, 2004, 09:21:43 AM »
@Dalamar

I think the earlier post referring to the situation as "Bizarro World," probably describes it best.  

There are claims, counter claims, facts, facts that seemingly reverse other facts, which are, in turn, countered by yet even more facts.  There are misrepresentations that are collaborated by by what appears to be credible sources, and truths that should be self-evident that are devistated by some document or another.  What's worse, is that this paragraph could easily describe any one of the "activities" we've seen in this community over the last two years.  All I can really say is, "pass the popcorn."
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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #168 on: March 30, 2004, 12:21:57 PM »
@Dalamar
" I don't think many will be happy with the future KMOS is working on as I think it will have little to do with the Amiga as a PC type platform. Just my opinion."

We do not know the future. But you could be right.

So far it seems that AOS4 for for "desktop Amigans" is ok as far as it takes nothing away from fullfilling KMOS needs.

I think Hyperion has the AOS desktop "ball" for AOS 4.1 and 4.2. After that... WE need to SHOW KMOS that it is important to continue AOS in a way that it suits for desktop use also in the future.

Most likely (also desktop) AOS continue to live. Only the speed of development varies.
 

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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #169 on: March 30, 2004, 02:33:14 PM »
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I somewhat agree. I place the blame squarely on everyone who KNEW the truth, and never spoke up while they watched people who were telling the truth be called liars. That's a damnable offense, quite literally.

What about people who knew the truth, but perpetuated the lie? BBRV is the root cause of perpetuating this into the community and using it for nefarious purposes.

@Wayne
people in glass houses. You were [moderated] enough to believe BBRV's {bleep} and bull story and dense enough to turn it into a personal crusade, and also to blind to see you were nothing but a pawn, as so many others have been.Funny, after your tirades, that now this is all out of proportion when you were so instramental in the initial blowing to begin with.
I am also getting very tired of moderators letting Wayne call others idiots when others get the mod stick applied.

Edit by Moderator: Missed that - situation rectified.  Thank you for pointing that out.

@Tbone nobody said it was waynes fault for being false information, it has been said it is his fault for perpetuating this whole drama.


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Bill McEwen gives his delayed deposition, claims ownership of the OS, says Amiga Inc is broke,

Claims possesion there is a difference

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(Interestingly, Itec apparently is financing KMOS as well).

What is your source on this?
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Itec LLC is incorporated. (This is interesting because Garry describes this company which is 3 years younger then Amiga Inc as the source of Amiga Incs funding) In truth, Amiga Inc has been broke and officeless since before Itec was incorporated.

this has no relevance, a company can invest in other companies if they are incorporated or not.
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Thendic wins their case against Amiga Inc.

incorrect, Thendic win a default judgement in thier favor. There is a big difference.
I find it interesting how a company that went bankrupt and does not exist any longer can win a case, and how another company can claim to be affilliated with this non existant company and have any claim in this case, especially when the pegasos is made by a third company again.
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Bill Buck asks for a rewrite of the judgement.

this is alot more than a simple "rewrite" what Genesi wanted and what the judge gave them are two  vastly different things, even though genesi are not signaturies of the contract, and the company that is no longer exists.
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A lot of work involved, but that puts things into perspective very nicely where this shell game is concerned.

Give one piece of solid evidence that this is the case.No co-incidences show me the money trail, show me that the same people registered these companies, that they are both owned by the same holding company. Show me anything that provides concrete proof, not opinions.

Why these people are so determined to mix Gary Hare and KMOS up with the percieved wrongdoings of AMiga Inc. and its spokespeople is beyond me at times.Could it be that they are just sore that it appears that AmigaOS and/or DE will escape the grasp of BBRV?

This continuing harrassment of AMiga Inc and now KMOS by percieved affiliation is just rediculous when BBRV has managed to run at least 3 businesses into bankruptsy, has non paid employees, created this entire business card fiasco, cancelled health insureance for the employees as well, and generally screwd up most of everything and everyone he has touched. Yet these same people treat him as the messiah.
Look to your own backyard is what I say to them.
This business card thing really pales into triviality in comparison to non paid employees and cancelled health insureance.Thats real lives and real pain and real suffering we are talking about there, not just a bit of pride.

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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #170 on: March 30, 2004, 04:44:48 PM »
@iondeluxe (or should I say Vorteaux?)

What part of my previous apologies for my unwitting part in the business card situation are you having trouble understanding?  

I realize fully the position that I was placed in, and I feel bad for it, and I've apologized for it.  Once again, you are continuing a {bleep}ing argument that doesn't {bleep}ing matter.  

If it continues, you will be joining Vorteaux in a timeout.

Let's pay attention to the fact that Amiga Inc is potentially guilty of perjury and fraud here and stop the stupid bullspit over fricking business cards.

> Quote:
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> Bill McEwen gives his delayed deposition,
> claims ownership of the OS, says Amiga Inc is
> broke,
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> Claims possesion there is a difference

Claiming ownership (not possession) in a Federal Courtroom when in fact you don't have ownership of is called PERJURY.  It's a Federal Crime.

> incorrect, Thendic win a default judgement in
> thier favor. There is a big difference.

Incorrect.  A default judgment is a win, period. The fact that McEwen didn't even show up doesn't make it any less of a win.  Perhaps less satisfying for Bill Buck than beating an actual attorney, but still a win.

> this is alot more than a simple "rewrite" what > Genesi wanted and what the judge gave them are
> two vastly different things,

Agreed.  I don't think Bill Buck has any rights to AmigaOS.

> even though
> genesi are not signaturies of the contract,
> and the company that is no longer exists.

The "Thendic == Genesi" thing has already been addressed by the courts and the judge accepted Genesi as the rightful party in this case.  Otherwise, the case would have been dismissed long ago.  

> Give one piece of solid evidence that this is
> the case.

You don't want evidence.  You don't want the truth.  You want to {bleep} and argue about stupid {bleep} like business cards.
 

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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #171 on: March 30, 2004, 08:34:08 PM »
Thanks, Tekmage!  It brightened my day today! :-D

Heh, heh, heh.  Take a look at this, guys! :lol:
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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #172 on: March 30, 2004, 11:36:16 PM »
@wayne
No I dont want to argue about business cards, but I am not going to let you or anyone else keep dribbling this rubbish unopposed.
BBRV is DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for misrepresenting Gary Hare to the public PERIOD. Gary hare did not go to shows handing out cards willy nilly, he gave them to a specific few people only.BBRV's claims were bogus, and he knew them to be.

Before you go digging up pergury claims have a look at BBRV first, he is not short on that line either.He says whatever suits him at the time and worries about the truth of things after the fact.OMG the "DE operating system" has been grafted onto AmigaOS to make it an OS, give me a break.
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A default judgment is a win, period.

Depends on your point of view.A "win" implies that there was opposition to the claim and thier agruments were found to be in the right.This did not happen so they got "default judgement" which means whoever was right was never established.


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The "Thendic == Genesi" thing has already been addressed by the courts and the judge accepted Genesi as the rightful party in this case. Otherwise, the case would have been dismissed long ago.

Maybe they have, but that does not mean they were not lied to again. Ihave not seen any court documents describing thier affiliation to Thendic, nor have I see how they can claim affiliation when Thendic is Bankrupt and no longer exists.If you have a link to this I would be most interested to see it.I seriously doubt you HAVE any evidence of this, or you would not have gone back to the business cards again..btw shut up about the business cards

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@iondeluxe (or should I say Vorteaux?)

Just another example where wild claims take the place of truth if left unanswered.You are the webmaster, check the IP and you would realize we are not even in the same hemisphere.

Finally, dont go telling me what I do or do not want, you dont seem to know that yourself the way you bounce around, let alone anyone else.
I did not bring up the business card thing, but I will defend it, nor did I bring up perjury, which is offtopic anyway so no I wont concentrate on that either.
And finally, your apology had been accepted for what its worth, now if you look closeley you will see that what I was talking about in my comments there is: dont go around calling other people idiots when BBRV has taken you for one and used you to that end. Mr pot, stop calling the kettle black. Even if this was not the case there is no cause for it.
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If it continues, you will be joining Vorteaux in a timeout.

I do not repond well to threats, even meanigless ones like this one. However this threat makes a mockery of the claims this is a "free" board in comparison to the "Amigaworld nazis"

Now do you want to talk about the rest of the interview and actually want to try to find some positives in it, or are you so soured you no longer have the ability to do so?

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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #173 on: March 31, 2004, 09:33:00 AM »
Trolls ought to be barred, whether they like it or not. Particularly those who are incapable of discussing matters withour resorting to personal insults and pedantry.
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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #174 on: March 31, 2004, 05:11:49 PM »
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>> Give one piece of solid evidence that this is
> the case.

You don't want evidence. You don't want the truth. You want to {bleep} and argue about stupid {bleep} like business cards.


Additionally we deride your truth-handling skills. No truth handler are you! Fie on you and your lack of ability to handle truth! Fie we say!

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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #175 on: March 31, 2004, 11:55:45 PM »
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Trolls ought to be barred, whether they like it or not. Particularly those who are incapable of discussing matters withour resorting to personal insults and pedantry.


I agree with the first, the "pedantry" is a bit laughable for two reasons.

1. No one ever admits to it.
2. We sometime have to resort to it to get a point across.

Pedantry for its own sake is another matter.

BTW is there such a word as "pedanrty" ?  :-D

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Re: Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)
« Reply #176 on: April 01, 2004, 12:42:32 AM »
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BTW is there such a word as "pedanrty" ?


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pedantry

Actually, there is, and it has four different definitions, if that's not being too pedantic :-)

ped·ant·ry    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (pdn-tr)
n. pl. ped·ant·ries
Pedantic attention to detail or rules.
An instance of pedantic behavior.
The habit of mind or manner characteristic of a pedant.
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pedantry

\Ped"ant*ry\, n. [Cf. F. p['e]danterie.] The act, character, or manners of a pedant; vain ostentation of learning. ``This pedantry of quotation.'' --Cowley.

'T is a practice that savors much of pedantry. --Sir T. Browne.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.
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pedantry

n : a ostentatious and inappropriate display of learning

Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University
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pedantry: in CancerWEB's On-line Medical Dictionary