New PPC Motherboard ?

[mikeymike]

1 GHZ AMD is MUCH MUCH VERY MUCH SLOWER than a 1 GHZ G4.

No need for allcaps, we can read it just the same without them.

A 1GHz AMD processor, as new as possible, is still at least a year older than a 1GHz G4.  Please compare processors when they came out at the same time.  Otherwise what's to stop someone comparing a 3GHz P4 to a 1GHz G4.

And btw this argument has been done before so many times.  Yawn!

[takemehomegrandma]

@ jahc

If these boards can be manufactured for decent prices (not the ones they're quoting on their site) then we need to get MorphOS and AmigaOS4 running on these boards ASAP. I dont know how hard it will be to get MorphOS to run, but OS4 has some sort of HAL that makes porting to different computers easy.. I'd imagine MOS has something similar. What do you say Genesi/Eyetech?

So (as poundsmack asked), what does this mean for us?

http://www.morphos-news.de/comments.php?lg=en&cpp=1&nid=645&page=6&cdir=2

Already last summer Genesi proclaimed their ambition for a Pegasos III G5. On morphos-news it's rumoured that samples of the Marvell 970 controller  has been available to selected NDA customers since December.

[vortexau]

XDelusion said:

I wish I could just by a freaking motherboard with CPU for under $300. Even a 1Ghz AMD is dirt cheap now a days, and the motherboards to support that are even cheaper, but here we are paying out the butt for motherboards with G4 CPUs and OLD RAM.

Well -- howsabout YOU obtain an AmigaOne building licence and set up YOUR own production run?

Then, you can announce, to us, YOUR prices!

When you've done that; we'll have a chance to debate just how attractive the pricing that YOU are offering is!?!  :-o

[System]

@lempkee:

the new amiga or the new pegasos ? ...or none?

Neither. Those boards are going to cost $6000 a peice or something insane like that.

Genesi is currently on the inside track for 970 development for the next generation Pegasos board. You'll see a significantly cheaper, more for real people, less "for systems engineers" board from us in time.

I can't tell you what Mai/Eyetech are doing for the 970. They have to release their ITX board first, don't they?

=Neko=

[downix]

@vortexau

Ok, easy as pie:

License to AInc is $200
Cost of a Peg G3 is 299euro
Ok, I'll make my A1-G3 for $599!

[Ilwrath]

@kgrach-

How many motherboards does ASUS sell an Hour.
Thats more than EYETECH and GENISI SOLD TOGETHER in the LAST TWO YEARS.

It all comes down to volume the more you make the cheaper it becomes to make the board.

Yeah...  That was exactly what made Amithlon the product I wanted.  You could use the faster and cheaper hardware.  (sigh)  I owned a 1ghz Athlon 2.5 years ago.  I own a 3ghz P4 now.  The prices of both systems at the time I bought them, added together, might get near the price for a single A1 G4 today.

@downix-

License to AInc is $200

Is that an accurate figure?  Or is it a best-guess?  (I'm not wanting to start anything, I'm genuinely interested if that was a named figure!)

[mikeymike]

Is that an accurate figure? Or is it a best-guess? (I'm not wanting to start anything, I'm genuinely interested if that was a named figure!)

I think it's a pretend figure, particularly as AI and Genesi have been bitching about licensing for a *long* time now.

[downix]

@ilwrath

Best guess, based on how much Mai charged for the teron in batches of 5-20 when I priced them out a few years back compared to how much the A1 is adding in a 10% profit margin.

[Kronos]

@ksk

Sure, single Terons did sell for the same price, but they didn't cost the same (to produce).

This board seems more like a "let's put EVERTHING on board"-attempt, than a realistic
(saleable) product. Surely completly useless for home use, and even if all the chips used
on it (an awfull lot) drop down to 1$ a piece, actual production would still be over 1000$.

And by than cheapre(simpler) and faster alternatives would allready be available
(lets say one G7). Also don't forget that all this power will lay completly wasted unless
you have an OS specially adapted for it (AOS/MOS may not apply) AND SW to take
advantage of it (name one app in the market that would).

What "we" would need is a board that is cheaper as a Mac, and offers things that can
actually be used with "our" OS (dual-G5 would allready be  overkill for that), and for
that, Marvell's Discovery970 seems like the best and most likely candidate.

[Valan]

I think Hyperion and Eyetech should get together to bring out a G5 Amiga that can cluster really efficiently.

Then they can sell hundreds or even thousands at once like Apple Macs or even Sony Playstations.

Anyone hear if this is possible with desktop Wintel machines?
I guess not.

Valan

[mikeymike]

I think IBM's new-found enthusiasm for PPC (wrt the 970) is too recent to consider investing in.  It's a good sign of what I've heard about the next in the IBM PPC line being significantly better performance than the 970, while outputting half the heat, but whether the Amiga community will see the fruits of this remains to be seen.

[Argo]

Then I can build my "Big Ami"  :-D