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OS4 on Tour UK update
« on: November 27, 2003, 12:26:45 AM »
Total Amiga and SEAL have confirmed that they will be exhibiting at the event. Also, the alternative directions from the M4 have been updated, so if you printed these directions off before, please take this version instead

Check out the website ...

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Re: OS4 on Tour UK update
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2003, 12:22:33 PM »
. . . and the wonderment over a world-wide tour for a product that doesn't actually exist (i.e. I can't buy it and there's not even a vague estimation of a delivery date) continues. . .
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Re: OS4 on Tour UK update
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2003, 12:26:17 PM »
Yeah, because nobody ever shows work-in-progress versions of products at computer shows.
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Re: OS4 on Tour UK update
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2003, 03:25:02 PM »
@DarkHawke
"and the wonderment over a world-wide tour for a product that doesn't actually exist (i.e. I can't buy it and there's not even a vague estimation of a delivery date) continues. . ."

My "wonderment" is why you even bother to read or reply if you're not interested or don't care.

Is it some personal affront to you that someone else might care about the product and its progress?

Think for a moment about the people you are affecting by slagging it, the people who develop it.  They need to eat too.

Take your anti-AmigaOS agenda somewhere else. Last time I looked, this was amiga.org
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Re: OS4 on Tour UK update
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2003, 03:34:54 PM »
Theres pictures of this non existing product, and i me myself have seen it in beta, when its done is pretty vague IMHO.
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Re: OS4 on Tour UK update
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2003, 04:24:14 PM »
On another note,

what is the size of interest like? Just wondering how many people we can expect to be there.

As for OS4 not been ready. I refere you to the Grolsch beer ads.

"Shtop!!, This OS is not ready yet!"  :-D
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Re: OS4 on Tour UK update
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2003, 05:16:11 PM »
i hope this place will be overcrowded with people...
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Re: OS4 on Tour UK update
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2003, 10:43:44 AM »
@TheJackal

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Re: OS4 on Tour UK update
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2003, 02:39:11 PM »
@HMetal:

Awfully touchy, aren't we?  Why is that?  Where did I ever indicate tbat I was disinterested?  True, this hardware-bound solution isn't my cup of tea by a long shot, but obviously I have SOME interest in it, or, as you say, I wouldn't have bothered to read or reply to this news item.

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Is it some personal affront to you that someone else might care about the product and its progress?
No, and I don't know how you're drawing that inference.  My implied question seems clear: why are they bothering to conduct appearance after appearance of an unfinished OS when that time, effort, and money, could be spent on finishing the OS?  Is that an invalid question?  I've yet to see it answered.  Yeah, sure, show off what you got at a show or two, but it seems like they're hitting every venue where 3 or 4 of the faithful just might show up, while the delivery date slips further and further, if there even is one.  Yes, I'd rather have it done right than done by Tuesday, but come on now.  How long have we all been waiting for this OS?  Has anyone even said for sure it'll come out next year, let alone given a quarter or a month?  As more and more folks at least add, if not entirely move over to, other platforms, the lack of this important OS update becomes critical to the survival of the market.  Eventually, folks WILL just move on if there's no Amiga OS to run on their A1s.  They do come with Linux installed, ya know.  

 
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Think for a moment about the people you are affecting by slagging it, the people who develop it. They need to eat too.
Slagging it?  I'm asking a question!  Could be the greatest thing since sliced raisin toast, but we'll never know until folks actually get their hands on it and running on their own machines.  And exactly how are any comments of mine taking food out of their mouths?  I'm just one guy with an opinion like everyone else and you don't even know my real name!  Wouldn't getting the OS out where folks can buy it do wonders for that food budget?  Wouldn't these promotional appearances be all the more effective if they actually have product to SELL after their demos?  Wouldn't it be better to put ALL available resources on getting the OS out the door and selling before the market gets any smaller and these folks really ARE in want of their next meal?  

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Take your anti-AmigaOS agenda somewhere else. Last time I looked, this was amiga.org
So, what?  Does that make it an anti-critique zone?  Or just someplace where free speech is frowned upon?  I've noticed neither situation to be the case and don't imagine it will ever be so.  As the Bard had it (or something like it), methinks thou dost protest too much.  Are you on the Amiga OS development team?  Is that why this slight criticism has set you off?  Just me sayin', but if I were you, I wouldn't let the odd yipping dog bother me, much less dignify the yipping with a response.  I'd let my code do the talking and redouble my efforts to trot out a kick-ass OS that'd leave the critics in the dust!  

Unless, of course, there is some major problem with finishing the OS that'll keep it off shelves for some time to come, which would make this constant touring of the OS the same kind of hubris we've come to expect in the Amiga market.  Not that I'm AT ALL saying that this scenario is true, but what Amigan here hasn't been strung along by great-sounding yet ultimately empty promises?

Furthermore, I reject your baseless charge that I am against the Amiga OS.  I'm totally against it being chained to a specific computer platform, that much is true, but if an x86-native Amiga OS came out tomorrow (or better yet, the legendary multi-platform Amiga DE), I'd buy it in a New York second!  In fact, when I'm wont to dream a bit, I hope that after OS 4 comes out, the next step WILL be an Amiga OS with which  I can scorch the chips off this pokey 'Doze box!  Not that I have any thing 'pon which to base that hope, but if, or if you prefer, WHEN OS 4 comes out, there'll be at least one less hurdle between me and that near-impossible dream!
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Re: OS4 on Tour UK update
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2003, 03:47:52 PM »
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My implied question seems clear: why are they bothering to conduct appearance after appearance of an unfinished OS when that time, effort, and money, could be spent on finishing the OS? Is that an invalid question?


The show is not organised by, or paid for by Hyperion. The person responsible for those would be "Myself and Mark Spearing", and "Me" respectively.

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venue where 3 or 4 of the faithful just might show up


Just under 120 people have registered an interest in attending, so far.

I hope that satisfactorily answers your questions.
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Re: OS4 on Tour UK update
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2003, 12:23:18 PM »
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The show is not organised by, or paid for by Hyperion. The person responsible for those would be "Myself and Mark Spearing", and "Me" respectively.

Hmmmm.  Okay, I guess I can see how you might think I was saying that it was Hyperion that was actually running the show.  I guess.  Regardless, such was not my thought nor intent.

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Just under 120 people have registered an interest in attending, so far.

So, what?  Y'all can't tell from hyperbole when it's staring you in the face?  Look, in no way, manner, shape or form was I slagging off you, your friends, your organization, your meeting/event/get-together or anyone attending it, either.  If that's what you want to do with your time, good luck to ya and enjoy.

The above, however, does not address my concern that it continues to be far easier to find yet another pre-release version of OS 4 at yet another event (all wonderful in their own right, and run and attended by truly nifty folks, I'm sure) than to get a copy to run on the sole intended platform (the A1), the latter being, to date, impossible.  Even a guesstimate as to which quarter of which year looks likely would be a step in the right direction.

P.S. :  Man, but y'all are sensitive!  Please, chill out, kick back and don't take it so personally.  Have a pint on me!   :pint:
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