MorphOS document released

[JurassicCamper]

Yawn MorphOS Yawn Pegasozzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :roll:

[elendil]

As some have said, I do not either see it as a competition.

In fact the best thing for me would be for both A1/AOS and Pegasos/MOS to succeed.
AOS as the amiga operating system and MOS as a new operating system aimed at a different market than AOS, with the ability (considering the similar hardware) to easily recompile programs from AOS to MOS and the other way around.

I enjoy AOS3.1 which I use currently, and I am 99% sure I will stick with AOS, though MOS sounds appealing in a way and I will have to at least try it. Just like I have both windows and linux on my pc laptop.

If they would both succeed they would make me a happy dude - much, much happier, than if one succeeds because of the others failure. Or the other way around.

Sincerely,

-Kenneth Straarup.

[Balti]

@createcoms

You got that wrong:

The A/BOX is 100%-PPC-native, while AOS4 will still include some 68k.

MOS does NOT emulate AOS !! It is NOT Amithlon !
It has an AOS-compatible API and a 68k-emu.

Lots of free/shareware-authors have allready made MOS-ports
of their SW. Can't really be said about AOS4 ;-)

MorphOS deserves respect because these people tried to give
the Amiga (the real one, not just some Amiga-labeled tech) a future
when the holders of the name said NO !! (GateWay/AInc).

These people do desevere respect because they DID bring a working
"AmigaOS-PPC", and sofar they are the only ones.

[createcoms]

Firstly, the ABOX is an amiga emulation layer.  Because MOS is not AOS, the only way it can run 3.1 stuff is via this ABOX layer.  Secondly, AOS is 100% PPC - you obviously haven't been paying much attention to the progress reports.

MOS DOES emulate AOS, it IS NOT like AROS and so there is no API compatibility - I wish you wouldn't post such blatant BS.  MOS is MOS, not AOS - if the API was the same this wouldnt be so.

Like I said, l33t programmers are going OS4 way - not your dead end virus makers.

And this little story you have about trying to give a future is even more BS.


And no, I have OS4 sitting here so dont say the MOS is the only PPC OS.

[Balti]

Wow what an idiot ......

No clues but a very loud mouth....

AOS4 will NOT be 100% PPC, and that is according to Ben himself.

The core parts will be, but some of the other parts will be 68k.

You don't know the differnce between an emualtor and a binary-
compatible API-reimplemtation.

How do you think an MOS-native AWEB-port was possible so fast ?

Yeap that was because it has 100% PPC reimplementaion of the
Amiga-API.

You should also know that AROS and MorphOS do share quite a
lot off modules (on source code level) .

So tell me if you really got a working copy of AOS4, why is it
than that Ben could only demonstrate an higly patched/updated
AOS3.x (on 68k) and an text-mode only kernel ?

[createcoms]

So now you're using figure names to solidify the BS?

Get Ben to email me - and tell me OS4 wont be 100% PPC then I'll accept it.  Until then I'll just look at what is in front of me which is an AmigaOS version recoded in pure C, ready for compilation.  It is version 4.0.

I see this going to a debate over what is the OS and what is not as you admit the core parts will be PPC.

 You noddy - the OS is THE core part.

You don't know the difference between an emulator and a binary-compatible API-reimplementation

Lets see:

Emulation of Processor =
Emulation of API =

MOS is not AOS kernel but Quark.  Therefore the API is different.  This dictates naturally then the AOS 3.1 ability is an API emulation.  3.1 binary happens to be 68k which also naturally dictates that it emulates the processor.  At either point it is emulation.  There is no API reimplementation, MOS does nothing the same as AOS beyond this implementation.  There is no crossing of the paths as you would suggest.

And yes I do know MOS used AROS modules, but as you say on source code level, so it is modified for the relevant API.  You are creating a hole for yourself by giving me the text to target.

So tell me if you really got a working copy of AOS4, why is it that then Ben could only demonstrate a highly patched/updated AOS3.x (on 68k) and a text-mode kernel ?

ATM the OS4.0 exists as a 68k modular distribution.  It is not a patch, the way it works is that all the files are replaced that aren't in ROM, and the ROM is disected and renewed much like Blizkick.  No patching, all replacing.

It is in C, and the recompilation takes no time at all.  In the latter stages of low-level HAL implementation we shift to PowerPC.

The reason why the amigaONE was only shown with the text based ExecSG was written in the latest progress report - so why use that as a false example?

[Balti]

Simple logic

MorphOS can run AOS-SW.
MorphOS does NOT need any AOS-files for that.

Seems there is an API-reimplementation, or is it Voodoo ?

This does not means that the internal parts work in the same way
as AOS, just that the API reacts in the same way as the one found
in AOS.

And you know what ? That is why it is called an API-reimplementation !

Sorry AOS4 is (will be) PPC, and as long as it only 68k it's only
3.x, no matter how many modules you replace..

You do know that "replacing" the ROM in RAM  !IS! a patch ?

AOS4 will become a reality when ExecSG,Petunia and the recompiled
modules all work on a PPC and are capable of running real apps.

Everything before is little more then a technological study.

Oh and about the name-calling:
Who started it with that stupid remark about virus-makers ?

I really hope that you are not in any way involved in OS4, cause
would like to see it in an usable form sometime.

[createcoms]

MOS can only run OS 3.x 68k Binary,
the fact that MOS is Quark based and runs on PowerPC means that it is pure emulation through and through.



Your idea of calling ROM replacement a patch is, quite simply - your idea!  And by that logic I'm patching my system whenever I change my wallpaper, swap an MP3 for a higher quality one, etc.

Patching, is to repair/replace a part of a whole.  When you replace entire libraries you ARE NOT patching you are upgrading/updating.


And you can kiss my arss with your personal attacks.  You are obviously scum to go that low.

[Piru]

MOS can only run OS 3.x 68k Binary

Bollocks. MorphOS can currently also run:

- PowerUP (ppc/68k hybrid) applications
- WarpUP (ppc/68k hybrid) applications
- MorphOS (ppc native) applications

 What does your OS4 run right now?

[mahen]

Everyone should calm down !

Creatcoms: you are *TOTALLY* mistaken, but
it's not a reason to be agressive with you.

What I fear is that many people lack information
and think like you and therefore totally
abandon MorphOS for a bad reason.

Really, MOS and AOS4 in their first releases
are meant to be more or less the same thing,
but they will evolve differently.

[mahen]

Regarding the stability issue, I would like
to tell you I use MOS on my pegasos everyday
and it's very stable :

it only crashes with *buggy* software, just
like a real amiga, just like the future OS4.

It'll be improved when MOS moves outside of the
ABOX in order to remove all the constrains of
the AOS.

BTW, when the ABOX crashes, MorphOS doesn't crash.

Finally, the ABOX is NOT an emulator.

Ask about more competent persons because I'm just
an user !

[System]

Damn...Just release those silly OS'es (Not just Beta) :-D